SSandDigital
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Listening on my OP 6T phone via the dongle (not a dongle dac / amp, passive). I am at about 40% volume, surprised by that.
Just curous doesBH crack really fix the HD600 hash mids and soundstage and imaging issues? Because on the fiio k5 pro it was a really disappointing experience.
@adgun Thanks for reccing hybrid amps. I got a xduoo ta-02 and the r70x is much fuller now without sacrificing detail. Very good for pop, rock, metal, classical. I do think that edm still benifits from pure SS with its airer texture letting the sound scape play out without bloating the sound.
I've been looking all over for a response curve because it's been compared to K712 Pro on Minidisk's (Lachlan's) video review and I hate the K712 sound so much. It's not that terrible, but sounded dull with hardly any mids definition.
I've been looking around to see if it's similar with the K712, but the response look different, and now puzzled why two were pointed out together. The R70X looks kinds mids centric with upper-mids emphasis and treble roll-off.
Anybody have opinions that has heard the K712? What's perplexing is that Minidisk stating K712 is better refined, that's casuing somewhat of a disinterest because I don't find K712 all that refined.
Where can I find the more accurate measurements?
I posted these two due to the result having consistancies
R70x and HD600 comparison of raw responses measured from Innerfidelity
I've been looking all over for a response curve because it's been compared to K712 Pro on Minidisk's (Lachlan's) video review and I hate the K712 sound so much. It's not that terrible, but sounded dull with hardly any mids definition.
I've been looking around to see if it's similar with the K712, but the response look different, and now puzzled why two were pointed out together. The R70X looks kinds mids centric with upper-mids emphasis and treble roll-off.
Anybody have opinions that has heard the K712? What's perplexing is that Minidisk stating K712 is better refined, that's casuing somewhat of a disinterest because I don't find K712 all that refined.
Where can I find the more accurate measurements?
I posted these two due to the result having consistancies
You have the same impression of K712 as me. It's not transparent, and certainly nowhere near transparent as the HD600. That's not my definition of 'reference' sound. To me HD600 has a much more reference like sound than K712 due to it's much stronger revealability. The part I hated about K712 not bringing out what is in the recordings, and being boring dull with the large cups not providing much bass.The R70x and K712 are different, I found the K712 to have a more liquid sound but it's also tonally off in the upper mids and lower treble and has some transparency issues due to this, never seems like a truly clear window into the music like say the K612 can be, but the K612 has a bit of an etched upper midrange and treble that makes them excessively sharp and it doesn't ever go away with EQ or modding pointing at a fundamental problem somewhere. Both seem to have the trait where their dynamics are more laid back until you turn the volume up past a certain point and they start coming in though. I'm feeling a bit mixed about the R70x now, comfort has gotten worse for me and I wish they had better dynamics and clarity at the volumes I listen at. They helped in terms of the hard mids I get with the HD 600/650, but there still is some hardness to the mids. I guess what I really want is a Beyer with a FR more similar to the Senns as I find Beyers have some of the least hard sounding midrange to my ears and some of the best clarity in the mids and don't sound tonally off like in the mids like the AKGs. May just tinker a bit with pads and possibly mods on the T1 or Amiron Home to achieve the tuning I want.
You have the same impression of K712 as me. It's not transparent, and certainly nowhere near transparent as the HD600. That's not my definition of 'reference' sound. To me HD600 has a much more reference like sound than K712 due to it's much stronger revealability. The part I hated about K712 not bringing out what is in the recordings, and being boring dull with the large cups not providing much bass.
I've tried various amps, including portable, and I couldn't get to sound revealing. It's probably one of the most unrevealing headphone I've heard. That is a big disappointment in my books. I value transparency highly. I mean we are suppose to be expecting 'high fidelity.'Yeah that's sadly the problem with the K712, honestly it's driver is very capable but colored upper mids ruin it, it can be fixed but it takes effort. But I have heard what they are capable of. The R70x doesn't really have those problems, but comfort is hit or miss for people and it needs to be amped right and currently I don't have the right system for it, but will try to try it on some gear a friend has sometime.
I've tried various amps, including portable, and I couldn't get to sound revealing. It's probably one of the most unrevealing headphone I've heard. That is a big disappointment in my books. I value transparency highly.