Triggerfish
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No complaints here with my ES10 and Leckerton UHA 6 mk.ii.
So my ESW11 pads turned up today from Japan, I already have ESW9 pads on my ES10. Before I start surgery , what changes in sound can I expect ?
I love my ES10s since they are the best for EDM music, but at the same time, I feel after a while they get bright, depending on the source. Nowhere near as bright as most Beyers or Ultrasones, but still a bit sibilant. Reminds me a little of a mini portable version of the W1000X....
I love my ES10s since they are the best for EDM music, but at the same time, I feel after a while they get bright, depending on the source. Nowhere near as bright as most Beyers or Ultrasones, but still a bit sibilant. Reminds me a little of a mini portable version of the W1000X....
For perspective, here's the stock frequency response:
So the mod reduced that treble pretty significantly, brought the midrange out a little bit more (especially upper midrange) than stock and also made bass more linear.
That's most likely why I felt like your ES10 had more bass impact... because sub bass on mine is just so linear that impact felt like it was reduced. Mine was probably hitting just as hard as yours, but sub bass was dominating a bit more.
Well, so I have always suspected those were the changes, but now the graphs are here to confirm my ears. Now to get on with my next mod. Hehehe
I actually found your modified ones to be more bright than the stock ones, to my ears at least and those to my friend Jon who also tried them.
As far as the bass, I actually prefer punchy mid-bass more than sub-bass. This is exactly what I don't like about my Edition 8s is the fact that they have a lot of Sub Bass and no low or mid-bass. It makes them sound bloated and unnatural.
My biggest problem with my ES10s is that over time I start to notice the sibilance and although it's far less bright than my DT770s, Edition 8s, T70Ps, etc... It's still present. I don't necessarily like warm headphones since I prefer these way over me ESW9s and find those have more reverberation of some sort and are less revealing. The ES10s are actually my favourite headphones of all the ones I have, but I wish they made them a bit more "open" sounding and WAYYY more comfortable. The ESW11 and ESW9 pads are great and all, but not enough, my ears still hurt after an hour. Why did they never make a fun but serious circumaural headphone? Maybe the W1000 comes close?
I guess they were so bass-light that it felt like they were brighter, but it's quite apparent from the graphs that they are less bright than stock by a good margin. If there is still too much treble, I can still tune that.
Anyway... yeah, I think the W1000 is that fun but serious circumaural headphone. I have owned the W1000X before, and I have modded the thing. It still had a pretty unhealthy amount of bass that I couldn't dampen without losing the wood sound completely, and I couldn't tame that treble either. The W1000 has a very balanced sound signature right from the get-go. They sound so much better than the other ATH headphones I have heard. That's why I was so dead set on purchasing a pair... (and now I have, hahaha)
You could say my ATH collection is pretty much complete.
I'm wondering how the bigger ESW10 and ESW11 compare to the W1000 and W1000X since they are all woodies. I'm wondering if either of those are just "portable versions" of the same thing. I really want to get my hands on the Ultrasone Signature DJ and Signature Pro. The Signature DJ's look like they might be similar in Sound Sig to the ES10s but in circumaural and much more comfortable and isolating form than the ES10s. I hope they aren't too much like my Edition 8s...