Audeze Penrose X and Penrose
Mar 10, 2021 at 3:56 AM Post #5,356 of 6,293

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I messaged via their website after seeing your post last night so thanks for the heads up. Got an email back this morning saying they had been delayed - strange that as the website implied they had them in stock when I placed the order. Seems like Analogue Seduction just take money for items they don't even have.

Apparently they were going to be emailing everyone today to let them know (yeah, right!). Anyway, they are cancelling and processing a refund (which seems strange of they pads are only delayed?). Anyway - I paid via Paypal also so will take it up with them if I don't see the refund over the next couple of days.

wow - sorry. The person I contacted at the weekend made no indications of that. I wonder if it's because loads non-UK orders? (that £5 delivery did seem too little IMO)

Or maybe, I'm hoping anyway, that their website/stock count doesn't keep tally on how many orders and some of us do get some.
 
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Mar 10, 2021 at 12:36 PM Post #5,358 of 6,293

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Hi there,

Despite all negative feedbacks here, i'm very positively surprised by the product i just received. Obviously sound is really good. Even on the mic that many have criticized, i was expecting worse (NB: not using discord). I do get the white noise when not listening to anything; even when muting the mic with the hardware button, it stays hearable albeit reduced. The bluetooth handling is very well done in my opinion: when the phone rings, i still get the chance to mention in a VC call that i have to respond to my phone, mute the VC, and respond to the phone.

The sidetone does not have any latency (as i had on Turtlebeach), but my issues (from most critical to less critical):
- you can't walk around phoning because as soon as you go out of range of the dongle, the lady starts complaining with "connected", i really really hope this will get fixed
- sidetone level is not configurable; i prefer a much higher level, i hope that future updates will allow to configure it
- the OS cannot control volume, you must use the hardware wheel, this is a bummer; strangely, it does support setting audio to 0%, which mutes it; so it means that regardless of the volume you set, it does not impact anything until you reach 0% which means mute. The mute control also works
- the microphone gain (bottom wheel) does not reflect on the sidetone, so you don't know what the other party is getting; left it around 85%

For Linux users, this might be interesting:

Code:
$ amixer contents -c 2
numid=5,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Switch'
  ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=1
  : values=on
numid=6,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Volume'
  ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=1,min=0,max=64,step=0
  : values=54
  | dBminmax-min=-64.00dB,max=0.00dB
numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='Mic Capture Switch'
  ; type=BOOLEAN,access=rw------,values=1
  : values=on
numid=4,iface=MIXER,name='Mic Capture Volume'
  ; type=INTEGER,access=rw---R--,values=1,min=0,max=64,step=0
  : values=0
  | dBminmax-min=-64.00dB,max=0.00dB
numid=1,iface=PCM,name='Capture Channel Map'
  ; type=INTEGER,access=r----R--,values=1,min=0,max=36,step=0
  : values=0
  | container
    | chmap-fixed=MONO
numid=2,iface=PCM,name='Playback Channel Map'
  ; type=INTEGER,access=r----R--,values=1,min=0,max=36,step=0
  : values=0
  | container
    | chmap-fixed=MONO
    | chmap-fixed=FL,FR

pulseaudio list cards

    index: 4
    name: <alsa_card.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01>
    driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
    owner module: 26
    properties:
        alsa.card = "3"
        alsa.card_name = "Audeze Penrose"
        alsa.long_card_name = "Audeze Audeze Penrose at usb-0000:00:14.0-2, full speed"
        alsa.driver_name = "snd_usb_audio"
        device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:14.0-usb-0:2:1.1"
        sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/sound/card3"
        udev.id = "usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01"
        device.bus = "usb"
        device.vendor.id = "3329"
        device.vendor.name = "Audeze"
        device.product.id = "0011"
        device.product.name = "Audeze Penrose"
        device.serial = "Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890"
        device.string = "3"
        device.description = "Audeze Penrose"
        module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
        device.icon_name = "audio-card-usb"
    profiles:
        input:mono-fallback: Entrée Mono (priority 1, available: unknown)
        input:multichannel-input: Entrée Multicanal (priority 1, available: unknown)
        output:analog-stereo: Sortie Stéréo analogique (priority 6500, available: unknown)
        output:analog-stereo+input:mono-fallback: Sortie Stéréo analogique + Entrée Mono (priority 6501, available: unknown)
        output:analog-stereo+input:multichannel-input: Sortie Stéréo analogique + Entrée Multicanal (priority 6501, available: unknown)
        output:iec958-stereo: Sortie Stéréo numérique (IEC958) (priority 5500, available: unknown)
        output:iec958-stereo+input:mono-fallback: Sortie Stéréo numérique (IEC958) + Entrée Mono (priority 5501, available: unknown)
        output:iec958-stereo+input:multichannel-input: Sortie Stéréo numérique (IEC958) + Entrée Multicanal (priority 5501, available: unknown)
        off: Éteint (priority 0, available: unknown)
    active profile: <output:analog-stereo+input:mono-fallback>
    sinks:
        alsa_output.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01.analog-stereo/#2: Audeze Penrose Stéréo analogique
    sources:
        alsa_output.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01.analog-stereo.monitor/#4: Monitor of Audeze Penrose Stéréo analogique
        alsa_input.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01.mono-fallback/#5: Audeze Penrose Mono
    ports:
        analog-input-mic: Microphone (priority 8700, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
            properties:
                device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
        analog-output: Analog Output (priority 9900, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
            properties:
                
        iec958-stereo-output: Digital Output (S/PDIF) (priority 0, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
            properties:


pulseaudio sink info (output)

  * index: 13
    name: <alsa_output.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01.analog-stereo>
    driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
    flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
    state: RUNNING
    suspend cause: (none)
    priority: 9049
    volume: front-left: 44315 /  68% / -10,20 dB,   front-right: 44315 /  68% / -10,20 dB
            balance 0,00
    base volume: 65536 / 100% / 0,00 dB
    volume steps: 65537
    muted: no
    current latency: 47,49 ms
    max request: 7 KiB
    max rewind: 7 KiB
    monitor source: 24
    sample spec: s16le 2ch 48000Hz
    channel map: front-left,front-right
                 Stéréo
    used by: 1
    linked by: 2
    configured latency: 40,00 ms; range is 0,50 .. 2000,00 ms
    card: 13 <alsa_card.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01>
    module: 37
    properties:
        alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
        device.api = "alsa"
        device.class = "sound"
        alsa.class = "generic"
        alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
        alsa.name = "USB Audio"
        alsa.id = "USB Audio"
        alsa.subdevice = "0"
        alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
        alsa.device = "0"
        alsa.card = "2"
        alsa.card_name = "Audeze Penrose"
        alsa.long_card_name = "Audeze Audeze Penrose at usb-0000:00:14.0-2, full speed"
        alsa.driver_name = "snd_usb_audio"
        device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:14.0-usb-0:2:1.1"
        sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/sound/card2"
        udev.id = "usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01"
        device.bus = "usb"
        device.vendor.id = "3329"
        device.vendor.name = "Audeze"
        device.product.id = "0011"
        device.product.name = "Audeze Penrose"
        device.serial = "Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890"
        device.string = "front:2"
        device.buffering.buffer_size = "384000"
        device.buffering.fragment_size = "192000"
        device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
        device.profile.name = "analog-stereo"
        device.profile.description = "Stéréo analogique"
        device.description = "Audeze Penrose Stéréo analogique"
        module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
        device.icon_name = "audio-card-usb"
    ports:
        analog-output: Analog Output (priority 9900, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
            properties:
               
    active port: <analog-output>

pulseaudio mic info

* index: 25
    name: <alsa_input.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01.mono-fallback>
    driver: <module-alsa-card.c>
    flags: HARDWARE HW_MUTE_CTRL HW_VOLUME_CTRL DECIBEL_VOLUME LATENCY DYNAMIC_LATENCY
    state: SUSPENDED
    suspend cause: IDLE
    priority: 9040
    volume: mono: 4369 /   7% / -70,57 dB
            balance 0,00
    base volume: 65536 / 100% / 0,00 dB
    volume steps: 65537
    muted: no
    current latency: 0,00 ms
    max rewind: 0 KiB
    sample spec: s16le 1ch 48000Hz
    channel map: mono
                 Mono
    used by: 0
    linked by: 0
    configured latency: 0,00 ms; range is 0,50 .. 2000,00 ms
    card: 13 <alsa_card.usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01>
    module: 37
    properties:
        alsa.resolution_bits = "16"
        device.api = "alsa"
        device.class = "sound"
        alsa.class = "generic"
        alsa.subclass = "generic-mix"
        alsa.name = "USB Audio"
        alsa.id = "USB Audio"
        alsa.subdevice = "0"
        alsa.subdevice_name = "subdevice #0"
        alsa.device = "0"
        alsa.card = "2"
        alsa.card_name = "Audeze Penrose"
        alsa.long_card_name = "Audeze Audeze Penrose at usb-0000:00:14.0-2, full speed"
        alsa.driver_name = "snd_usb_audio"
        device.bus_path = "pci-0000:00:14.0-usb-0:2:1.1"
        sysfs.path = "/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2:1.1/sound/card2"
        udev.id = "usb-Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890-01"
        device.bus = "usb"
        device.vendor.id = "3329"
        device.vendor.name = "Audeze"
        device.product.id = "0011"
        device.product.name = "Audeze Penrose"
        device.serial = "Audeze_Audeze_Penrose_1234567890"
        device.string = "hw:2"
        device.buffering.buffer_size = "192000"
        device.buffering.fragment_size = "96000"
        device.access_mode = "mmap+timer"
        device.profile.name = "mono-fallback"
        device.profile.description = "Mono"
        device.description = "Audeze Penrose Mono"
        module-udev-detect.discovered = "1"
        device.icon_name = "audio-card-usb"
    ports:
        analog-input-mic: Microphone (priority 8700, latency offset 0 usec, available: unknown)
            properties:
                device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
    active port: <analog-input-mic>
 
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Mar 11, 2021 at 2:15 AM Post #5,360 of 6,293

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volume steps are absurdly large. each tweak of the physical volume wheel is around 3 db. So its often too quiet or too loud.
- volume level at 10% is about the max I can tolerate. Which means I have two or three wheel clicks of usable range


That i want to be fixed some day
If software volume control worked that would be less of an issue
 
Mar 11, 2021 at 3:22 AM Post #5,361 of 6,293

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Regarding "you can't walk around phoning because as soon as you go out of range of the dongle, the lady starts complaining with "connected", i really really hope this will get fixed" unplugging the dongle before going away seems to do the job but that's not a long-term solution.
 
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Mar 11, 2021 at 4:00 AM Post #5,362 of 6,293

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wow - sorry. The person I contacted at the weekend made no indications of that. I wonder if it's because loads non-UK orders? (that £5 delivery did seem too little IMO)

Or maybe, I'm hoping anyway, that their website/stock count doesn't keep tally on how many orders and some of us do get some.

No need to apologise - all good - issue is with them :thumbsup:
 
Mar 11, 2021 at 8:19 AM Post #5,365 of 6,293

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Actually my previous assumption that Linux volume does not work at all is not correct
- alsa mute works
- volume kind of works but the scale seems wrong, with level 0% (-64 dB) sound is still hearable, then at the next Gnome/pulseaudio increment, 4% (-55 dB) the sound goes "max" and up to 100% it's not changing

I'll open a support ticket
 
Mar 11, 2021 at 8:40 AM Post #5,368 of 6,293

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Yes, still 0.1.5
Damn, I received my Penrose X and 0.1.5 was preinstalled on it, I've read a lot about "future update that removes wind sound from left earpad" and hoped that It was already released. It bothers me a lot. I should say that among all previoy complaints my Penrose X have only tightness problem(only headband, the tightness of earcups disappeared with time) and wind noises. Everything else is fine or at least acceptable, so maybe all other problems were fixed with X release.
 
Mar 11, 2021 at 10:00 AM Post #5,370 of 6,293

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I was able to enable software volume control on Linux by following this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110311#c11

It basically ignores the hardware volume controls (which have no effect) and uses software volume control instead; in the end i am getting proper volume control. Note that instead of rebooting, you can run udevadm control --reload-rules then unplug/replug the dongle.

Code:
$ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/90-penrose.rules
SUBSYSTEM=="sound", ACTION=="change", KERNEL=="card*", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="3329", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0011", ENV{PULSE_PROFILE_SET}="/etc/pulse/penrose-profile.conf"

$ cat /etc/pulse/penrose-profile.conf
[General]
auto-profiles = no

[Mapping Headphone]
device-strings = hw:%f
channel-map = left,right
paths-output = /etc/pulse/penrose-output.conf
direction = output

[Mapping Mic]
device-strings = hw:%f
channel-map = mono
paths-input = analog-input-mic
direction = input

[Profile default]
input-mappings = Mic
output-mappings = Headphone
skip-probe = yes

$ cat /etc/pulse/penrose-output.conf
[General]
description = Stereo

[Element PCM]
switch = mute
volume = ignore
 
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