Audeze LCD-X
Dec 13, 2016 at 8:04 AM Post #8,701 of 12,748
Seems I will be joining Audeze family with the LCD-X. Due to the cancellation on my b-stock sale purchase they offered me the cans for 999$.

I need some advise for an amp/dac, combo or not, to pair with them. Budget? I may be able to go up to 500$, but the cheaper the better since they seem easy to drive.
Is it a noticeable improvement going balanced on them other than the power rise?

Sound signature I'm looking for? Something that could improve soundstage and the low end for my ambient tunes would be great.


You should also add the Schiit Jotunheim to your list of amp/DACs to audition. With the DAC option added to it it's right at your budget and while the X is easy to drive, it's a current hungry planar beast and the Jotunheim can tame it.
 
Dec 13, 2016 at 6:38 PM Post #8,702 of 12,748
Seems I will be joining Audeze family with the LCD-X. Due to the cancellation on my b-stock sale purchase they offered me the cans for 999$.

I need some advise for an amp/dac, combo or not, to pair with them. Budget? I may be able to go up to 500$, but the cheaper the better since they seem easy to drive.
Is it a noticeable improvement going balanced on them other than the power rise?

Sound signature I'm looking for? Something that could improve soundstage and the low end for my ambient tunes would be great.


Chord Mojo?...
 
Dec 13, 2016 at 7:39 PM Post #8,704 of 12,748
  Seems I will be joining Audeze family with the LCD-X. Due to the cancellation on my b-stock sale purchase they offered me the cans for 999$.
 
I need some advise for an amp/dac, combo or not, to pair with them. Budget? I may be able to go up to 500$, but the cheaper the better since they seem easy to drive.
Is it a noticeable improvement going balanced on them other than the power rise?
 
Sound signature I'm looking for? Something that could improve soundstage and the low end for my ambient tunes would be great.

 
+1 Jotunheim. If I wanted an all-in-one DAC/amp the Jotunheim would top the list.
 
Dec 13, 2016 at 8:39 PM Post #8,705 of 12,748
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]Here's some compiled initial impressions from after I received my LCD-Xs yesterday. They're pretty much just notes since I was conversing with some folks in Discord chat. I was pretty much just dumping thoughts as they came to me.H
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[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]Highs are more present than TH-X00, and bass is less. More bass than Q701, but not as peaky. Mids are there in spades[/color]
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]Yeah, back to back, cymbals are sharper on the X[/color]


Metal is great on these, they're totally dominating my Mastodon album (Remission)
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X00s could keep up, but barely

 

 
 
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]gonna definitely have to upgrade my DAC/amp setup now



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Soundstage is kinda weird, almost more vertical than out to the sides
 
bass extension is on par w/ X00, waaaay better controlled though
everything is way faster

Treble is smooth as glass not as loud as Q701 though, which is what I wanted
Mids are super smooth too. Loving the FR, seems pretty damn flat

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[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)] [color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]initial impressions on comfort are promising


I dont see these being any worse than the Q701
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also, volume on low gain w/ my magni is pretty much at the same position as my x00s

 

 
 
[color=rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.701961)]imaging is insane, as I thought when i first demoed them



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Dec 14, 2016 at 9:11 AM Post #8,707 of 12,748
Originally Posted by Gamergtx260 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
  Let me summarize it for you but please do a comparison if you have the chance. This is only in my personal opinion.
 
EDIT: All the listening are done with my Gumby/Mjolnr2 with Wyrd on the line. In foobar with all FLAC files, mostly metal/rock. I have tested some electronic music just for the bass. They are all on fully balanced mode and with not so expensive fancy silver cables.
 
 HD800 (Super dupont mod)HD800SLCD X (pre 2016)HE6 (Grill mod)Audeze LCD 4 (2016 drivers)
Detail retrieval+Probably the most detailed phones, LCD 4 was very closeOn par with the HD800-Surely loses against 800+ Slightly (a tad) lesser than the HD800+ On par with the 800, I felt they were also very detailed than the 800s on some occasions (except for orchestra)
Lows+Good impact, quick decay and bass quality but not much quantityMore quantity bass but less quality than the HD 800. If you thought the original was thin, then 800S are for you. But don't get me wrong, they are not that bass emphasized as the Audeze's but on par with the HE6.+Very punchy, goes very deep (typical planar magnetic)+ Nice punchy bass, good impact and short decay, heavier than the HD 800, similar to the LCD X and other planars around+++++++ Best Bass ever in any headphones ever. Period. If you had the chance to listen to them please do. You will hate yourself and your other headphones.
Mids+Very neutral, everything sounds as natural as it should be. ( Very neutral also means they are boring )Same but not boring. Why? Because of the bump in the lower end and less harsh in the treble. Now they sound very musical, not so musical as the LCDs but "musically balanced" :)-colored, some may like it, some may not+ Very nice neutral mids (not so boring as the HD 800, maybe because of a bit more upper lows?)+++++++ Mids are very very nice though not musical as the LCD 3s but they are very natural, engaging, puts you to tears.
Treble! Pierces your ears on poor recordings, slightly sibilant, though on good recordings they sound very rich and has the sparkleSennheiser managed to tame the 6Khz spike like everyone else reviewed. But sibilance/harshness is still present on bad recordings. It shows how transparent are the 800S. ! very easy to listen to, not very well extended though+ Very well extended, non fatiguing and rich sounding treble+ Some say they have recessed treble. I would say that they aren't bright as the 800 or some grados. They have everything in the treble region, the cymbals sound great. 
Vocals! Again, sounds as it should be, no wow factor or initmacy of voices. Same nice vocals. Very realistic.+ The vocals sound great on the X+ Again, very nice vocals, very close to the X, though not near the 3F++++++++ I'm running out of stars. You can make your favorite artist sing for you in your room with these headphones.
Soundstage, Imaging, Seperation++ No contestSurely the soundstage is a bit lesser than the original but wider than all others.! Soundstage with planars have always been constricted within your ears (except for LCD4), has a good imaging ! Constricted soundstage, typical to many planars around. This makes me think that the detail retrieval is lesser than the 800 on a quick A/B comparison, but further listening says no.++ Interestingly, these have a very wide soundstage. Not wide as the 800 but surely wider than any other planars I have listened to.
Comfort+ has a huge ear pads that covers your ears, never touches the driver, very soft material, feels like nothing on your headAt first it felt the same. But no, the HD 800S have a higher initial clamping force which I'm still getting used to.- Heavy, uncomfortable for longer periods (maybe 3+ hours), though it can be improved with the carbon fibre or Lohb strap. I tried them both didn't work for me+ Not so heavy as the X. Around 500 gms (X is around 600)-- ~650 gms (One reason I had to sell them, what a shame, they sounded great)
Amping! 300ohms (but when you are looking at these phones, you will already own a decent amp)Same. No comments.+ Works from your phone too but a good amp will do justice-- A big downside. Hard to drive. Needs a lot of power to shine. A speaker amp maybe but very difficult to find one that's cheap with less noise floor. ( I use them with my Mjolnir 2 w Telefunken tubes and they are powerful, LISST and stock tubes sounds grainy and less power)+ At 200 ohms on the newer drivers they need quite some juice but I'm sure when you are buying this you will have a nice power amp.
Looks?+ They both look coolWanted to get my older 800 to full black from colorware, but not anymore.++ I love the black aluminium though- Just an another headphone++++++ It is like the Rolls royce of headphones. I used them always with the protective gloves that came along.
Value for money+ Easily the best own one that does it all phoneSome may say the 800S are expensive. While it is expensive, I'm very satisfied with the performance and I think they are worth the price.! They are overpriced for the sound quality they produce (Gonna get bashed for this)! The headphones themselves are worth the price. But the amping would make them more expensive. If you already own a decent amp 5W at 50 ohms atleast then it is worth considering.- I bought it for €4000 euros. They are twice the price of LCD 3s but are they worth it? Yes for some, No for many. I was one of the many.
Quality+ Sennheisers are surely long lastingSame- Audeze had many driver failures (Not so many failures on the X though) but now they have the newer drivers, which time has to tell.+ This is my only Hifiman headphone. I had no issues of driver failures or breaking yet.  ! The build was top notch. With premium leathers, carbon fiber headband, and the wood. Stunning and very well made. But there were some issues with the driver failure. Audeze have addressed it with newer drivers,
so it is still not a thumbs up yet.
 
By end of the day, If I'm given just one choice, I'll go with the 800.
 
Though I appreciate the 800s, I sold them for three reasons.
1. They were too bright, even after the super dupont mod
2. They are "boring". Meaning, they are not engaging phones like the LCD 3 or LCD 4. (The X wasn't engaging either)
3. I bought the HD800S,yay! (Still on the way, so no comments on them yet)
 
EDIT #1: I was asked to compare with the HE6. So I added them. 
New conclusion: I would place my HE6 and LCD 3F on top of everyother headphones I have come so far (except for the 800S I will receive them soon). I think they complement each other really well. HE6 for close to neutrality and speed. LCD 3s for musicality, vocals and the timbre.
 
If money isn't a problem and you can bear ~650 gms of weight on your head for hours, then sell all your other phones and get the LCD 4 instead. You will thank me and Audeze later.
 
I sold all my other headphones after I owned the HD 800S for about a week now. My end game. Period.
 
Please feel free to ask me for other headphone comparisons. Thanks a lot!

 
EDIT: Added HD 800S for comparison. The table is getting wider:)
 
Dec 14, 2016 at 11:37 PM Post #8,709 of 12,748
  Seems I will be joining Audeze family with the LCD-X. Due to the cancellation on my b-stock sale purchase they offered me the cans for 999$.
 
I need some advise for an amp/dac, combo or not, to pair with them. Budget? I may be able to go up to 500$, but the cheaper the better since they seem easy to drive.
Is it a noticeable improvement going balanced on them other than the power rise?
 
Sound signature I'm looking for? Something that could improve soundstage and the low end for my ambient tunes would be great.

 
Wow, that's a great deal on the LCD-Xs! I think you'll be very pleased.
 
As for your questions, I've been very satisfied with my iFi Micro iDSD. It can be found (brand new) for around $350 on sale if you're patient. The DAC section is pretty phenomenal and punches way above it weight. The amp is more than capable and does a fine job driving the LCD-Xs IMO. In terms of soundstage I had the best results with the iDSD set to 'bit-perfect' playback. As for the low end you desire, the iDSD has a 'bass boost' feature which I've never used quite frankly because I find the LCD-X low end to be sufficient for my tastes and music library.
 
Dec 14, 2016 at 11:51 PM Post #8,710 of 12,748
   
Wow, that's a great deal on the LCD-Xs! I think you'll be very pleased.
 
As for your questions, I've been very satisfied with my iFi Micro iDSD. It can be found (brand new) for around $350 on sale if you're patient. The DAC section is pretty phenomenal and punches way above it weight. The amp is more than capable and does a fine job driving the LCD-Xs IMO. In terms of soundstage I had the best results with the iDSD set to 'bit-perfect' playback. As for the low end you desire, the iDSD has a 'bass boost' feature which I've never used quite frankly because I find the LCD-X low end to be sufficient for my tastes and music library.

 
Thanks! I'm going to try to audition some of the amps suggested on that price range. It's going to be between Jot, iFi Micro, Mojo and NBF-11. I think I can't go wrong with any of those.
 
How the LCD-X behave with tubes like Project Ember II or Valhalla 2?
 
Dec 15, 2016 at 4:16 AM Post #8,714 of 12,748
The table demands sacrifice!

Any direct comparisons you can add to the LCD-4 and the LCD-X?
Yes. Had them both at one point. The LCD Xs are more flatter with a bump in the low end. The bass slam was the best in that price range, it had a very punchy, deep to the deepest lows. The vocals were a bit forward and so they sounded really nice. But that's about it, I hate to admit but I really didn't like them.

The LCD 4s are totally on a different level. If you liked the bass on the LCD X then you will say the Xs are nothing in the lows after listening to the LCD 4s. The bass is very very unique and I think only the 4s can produce such a marvelous low end. No contest here.

I would summarize it this way.
LCD 4 = bass of LCD X multiplied infinite times + a tad lesser creamier than the LCD 3 ( still very nice lush mids) + comparable treble to the X ( still has a lot of air )+ detail retrieval of the HD 800 + soundstage of the HD 800S + weight of LCD XC + vocals of the singer next to you ( honestly they have the best vocals I've ever heard in any audio producing equipment ). Looks like they took in the best of all worlds but I still had to return them just because of the weight and driver failures.
 
Dec 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM Post #8,715 of 12,748

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