Audeze LCD i4 TOTL In-Ear Monitor Discussion
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Anybody using either the Reveal or Reveal+ plugin system wide on Windows (for example, via Equalizer APO)?

I had been using the old Reveal plugin on my main computer. I got a new laptop and installed the Reveal+ plugin since it's the easier one to get now.
I am confuse with the settings.

Equalizer APO shows the EQ applied system wide so I can see what Reveal's plugin actual does.

For reference, the old Reveal plugin doesn't have filter type setting, only "Mix" (dry <> wet) which controls the amplitude of the EQ, and a "Gain" setting:

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At 55% (and gain adjusted for -3dB peak), I get this:
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At 100%:
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The filter looks smooth and doesn't have noticeable delay when watching videos.

This last point is where I have problem with the new Reveal+ plugin.

The plugin looks like this:
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Linear Phase - High Quality
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At 100%, the filter looks more like 55% for the old Reveal plugin:
The latency seems like it's > 500 ms, which is way too high for lip-sync.

The other filters look pretty ugly. I get that the comb is probably not audible, but it's still a weird looking filter.
Could be APO not interpreting the filter correctly?

Linear Phase - Medium Latency
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Latency isn't that much better than High Quality. It doesn't sound nearly as bad as it looks.

Linear Phase - Low Latency
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Latency is better but it's still >200 ms, so way too high for lip-sync

Minimum Phase - Zero Latency
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They should call this one "zero filter". It's definitely applying an EQ so I can confirm that APO is thrown off by the Reveal+ filter somehow.
The latency is very low with this one.

In general, the Reveal+ does sound better to my ears. More open, less congested and overall more refined. Even with Minimum Phase.

@Audeze : can you think of a reason why APO would not show the EQ correctly, when it seems to work fine with the old Reveal plugin?
 
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Hm, weird. Just installed the legacy version of the Reveal plugin on my Windows 10 PC and the folder in Program Files doesn't contain a file to open the app..
Am I missing something here? Thanks!

EDIT: it was in a folder called "Steinberg"; I was able to set it up for use in JRiver- any way to have it applied system wide?
 
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What are the benefits to using the i4 with Equilizer APO+Reveal over an M15 using Toneboosters PEQ through UAPP?

Would I get better quality using the M15 as a USB DAC and Reveal and disable The Toneboosters PEQ?
 
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What are the benefits to using the i4 with Equilizer APO+Reveal over an M15 using Toneboosters PEQ through UAPP?

Would I get better quality using the M15 as a USB DAC and Reveal and disable The Toneboosters PEQ?
System wide EQ
 
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Just use the graphic or parametric EQ. You can find on github the AutoEQ settings for i4. It serves as a good starting point, and you can adjust to your taste accordingly.

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Is this the closest to Reveal?
How does this translate to Toneboosters 10 band PEQ? Do I just copy the values and put -7.6 in the gain field?
I have been using KMann's 6 band in Toneboosters, but am wondering if there is a better one for 10 band PEQ.
 
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Is this the closest to Reveal?
How does this translate to Toneboosters 10 band PEQ? Do I just copy the values and put -7.6 in the gain field?
I have been using KMann's 6 band in Toneboosters, but am wondering if there is a better one for 10 band PEQ.
I have no experience with Toneboosters. But I assume you can adjust the individual band in the PEQ using values from Github. The -7.6 is for the pre-amp gain.
 
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I have no experience with Toneboosters. But I assume you can adjust the individual band in the PEQ using values from Github. The -7.6 is for the pre-amp gain.
This is what I see. Can anyone advise if the pre amp gain goes in output level?
 

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Your best bet will probably be a black friday sale. Sign up at Audeze to receive notifications. That's how I picked up mine last year as I'm sure many others have.
Sold out in < 30 minutes of the email!
Wow.
I’ll just save up for Layla’s at this rate.
 
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I regrettably missed my chance to purchase an i4 this year. I picked up an i3 as a consolation prize though. Is the i3 anywhere near the quality of the i4 or should I just wait until next year to pick up the i4? I'm really disappointed there wasn't more of a heads up for the Audeze sale. The timing from year to year is so inconsistent.
 
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Eh I’ll just wait till June and take my military discount. It’s close enough.
And the i3 is pretty good but it has its own thread
 
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