Audeze LCD-2 Orthos
May 27, 2010 at 9:43 AM Post #1,276 of 18,459


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if that replacement cable can remove the excess 5 feet of cable under my feet, well then its well worth it for me   .... regardless of any possible sound improvement   ......
 

Then cut it and re-attach the plug if you want to save money.  If you're after even better sound as well, then you might want to give the ALO cable a listen.  I suspect Ken would have no problem making a custom length cable for the LCD-2.  In fairness to other cable manufacturers, I only mention the ALO cable because I've listened to it, and found it to genuinely improve the sound for these ears.  No doubt there will be others making cables for the LCD-2 also.  Let your ears be the judge, you're the one who has to live with your purchase.
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May 27, 2010 at 9:52 AM Post #1,277 of 18,459


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Im on board, in on the waiting list for a LCD-2... future team ortho!  Hopefully it will live up to the hype. :)  I will be, I guess custom making my own 4-pin cable for these as I assume it only comes with 1/4"?  Going to run it balance from my roc/ref5 combo in ACSS mode, should be bliss!

I haven't seen any hype yet.  I've seen lots of enthusiasm.  I've seen lots of anticipation.  Lots of fairly positive reports.  I've seen lots of empty bashing from those who've never even heard the can, but I haven't seen one word of advert from the manufacturers, except on their own web site.    Where's all the hyperbole?     
 
 
May 27, 2010 at 10:14 AM Post #1,278 of 18,459
maybe hype was the wrong choice of words, lets call it "excitement".   Good to know about the cable and ease of termination, thanks.
 
May 27, 2010 at 10:16 AM Post #1,279 of 18,459


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I have been following this thread for a while. 
 
I am so taken with the looks if the LCD-2, happy about the pragmatic cable choice and use of mini XLR plugs, and appreciative of the obvious high quality construction that I went ahead and was placed on the pre-order list a few weeks ago.  I do not know what it is about this particular phone but it was the only one out of the recent flagship phones released recently that tempted me enough to add to my mostly Grado collection.  I know that it will not sound very much like the Grados, but I have high hopes for it.  I am betting that it does wonders for bands like Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, and Anathema.  I will be driving them with my Mapletree Ear+ HD Super Custom.  300mW into 39 Ohms should be around 200ish mW into 50 Ohms, correct?  Not enough for optimal power, but it is transformer coupled and has a <7 Ohm output, so I am hoping it gets the job done.
 
Having said this, I do have a few questions (apologize if any of these have already been asked prior):
 
1. If anyone here is a fan of harder music like Opeth-like death metal and Black Sabbath-like classic heavy metal, could you comment on the LCD-2s presentation of guitar tone and drum attack?  That is what attracts me to Grado, and I am curious how well it compares since I do have a large metal collection.
 
2. Are the earpads removable?
 
3. How long is the headphone cable?
 
4. How well does it handle dynamic transients?  The massive power handling and max SPL suggest that the driver is more robust than a typical dynamic transducer, but is there audible strain or distortion in passages like the 1812 Overture?
 
5. Are the pieces that attach the rods to the headband metal or plastic?  What about the grills?
 
6. Since so much is made about the bass response about the LCD-2, if anyone has experience, how well do these compare to the likes of the ATH L3000, PS-1, and other phones noted for great bass?  Subjectively speaking of course.
 
7. Finally, has anyone tried any good binaural recordings with these?  Something like Virtual Haircut, Sound Tracker (Gordon Hempton) recordings, or the first track from the Ultrasone sampler CD.  I would be interested in hearing how well they immerse the listener.

Wow!  Honest questions!  Cool!
 
1. attack;  I personally have not heard any other headphone treat this with more authority, quickness, deftness, without adding any artificial etch or accentuation.  This is part of why I can listen to these cans for hours on end without aural fatigue.  Guitar tonality;  Spot on.  Full and rich, without bloat or bloom.  You hear the true tone of the body of the instrument.  Sorry, I don't listen to metal, as it's not my cup of tea.
2. removable earpads; yes
3. cable length; mine measures 94 inches to the plug.
4. Dynamic range/transient handling; superior.  No overhang, no overshoot, no ringing.  The limitation you will encounter will be that of your amplifier, if any.
5. bits and pieces; all metal with set screw/spring adjustable tensioning.
6. bass; subjectively the best I've heard.  No bloom, no bloat, no ringing, flat to below 20Hz.  No more and no less punch than what is recorded.
7. immersion; I have that Ultrasone track you mentioned, and I've made my own binaural 24/96 recordings to listen to.  What is recorded, is what you hear.  Very accurate soundstage presentation and image.  You should hear that fireworks track on the Ultrasone CD.  Unbelievably realistic and immediate with all of the acoustic space and 3D placement of all the sounds.
 
Hope this helps.
 

 
 
May 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM Post #1,280 of 18,459


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maybe hype was the wrong choice of words, lets call it "excitement".   Good to know about the cable and ease of termination, thanks.


I suspect you'll be very pleased.
 
May 27, 2010 at 11:03 AM Post #1,281 of 18,459


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Since the topic has come up multiple times and I haven't seen some of the following points brought up, I'd like to mention a few things.
 
The O2 is probably the WORST meet headphone ever.  Meets can be pretty difficult to form opinions on various gear because of the noise, time limit, mind exhaustion, and lack of proper approach to auditioning systems.  If you go to a meet without music you knew very well, your opinions mean close to nothing IMO.  You absolutely need to have reference to make comparisons.  The O2 has the following going against it (which is why I call it the worst meet headphone):
1. Very open design.  External noise does not get blocked out at all.  This is the same as many other headphones though, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here.
2. Accurate soundstaging.  People want to be 'WOWd' at meets.  A huge soundstage is one sure fire way to impress somebody, but it's not accurate.
3. Upper mids/lower highs that aren't accentuated.  Again with the WOW factor.  Most headphones are tipped up in this frequency range, so people will hear some meaningless forks and knifes in a live Sinatra recording and call a headphone 'detailed' because it's being shoved in their face.  The sound is still there on the O2, it is just placed behind the music as it should be.
4. Lastly, and probably most critically, the O2 is a VERY picky headphone with regards to fit.  The only headphone in the same class in this regard is the Qualia.  You'd be surprised at how many people wear the O2's incorrectly at meets.  And who can blame them?  It's not exactly an automatic fitter like the R10.  There are even senior members here who wear the O2's incorrectly and thus don't get a complete seal around the ear, which is everything.  The thinner your face, the higher up you need to point the seems on the pads.  As a meet goes on, the pads can be rotated pretty off from one another.  I took my O2/717 to a local meet a year ago and many people loved it but there were a couple of people that didn't like it so much.  I took that same setup to two local meets a few months ago and made sure these times that people were wearing them correctly and some of those same people were floored by the O2/717.
 
The LCD2 has #1-3 going against it if the impressions so far are accurate, so I'm just saying don't be surprised if people aren't amazed by them at CanJam.  Expect lots of R10, HD800 and K1000 raving though.  This is also why you shouldn't look at meet impressions as very important.  
 
The most valuable impressions are by people who:
1. Have owned the gear for a while.
2. Have much experience with gear in the same or higher classes.
3. Don't rave about every new toy they get and don't exaggerate differences excessively.
 
No offense intended to anybody, but so far there is NOBODY in this thread that meet all three criteria simply because the LCD2 is still a new headphone.  FWIW, most don't even pass #2/#3 IMO. :p
 
You want to know how the LCD2 really stacks up?  Wait a couple more months.  The true impressions will start rolling out and we'll be able to better judge where the LCD2 stands at that time.  Has there ever been a new headphone that wasn't claimed to be better than multi thousand dollar systems near initial release only to be drastically less hyped half a year later?  
 
There's a reason the O2 is constantly mentioned as a standard when new flagships come out.  It has stood the test of time and is still extremely highly praised.  That's the sign of a great headphone.  A headphone that got released a day ago and is proclaimed as "better than the O2 that I heard at CanJam a year ago" is not.  Those types of impressions hold no water and are a disservice to the potential buyer.  People who own the O2 with a decent amp generally LOVE the combination as they get the proper experience to see what all the fuss is about.  That's the sign of a great headphone.  A headphone that people rant about during the first two months of ownership and later get bored with is not.
 
All that being said (sorry for the rant, this is my first serious post since HF remodeled, heh) I'm very interested in hearing the LCD2 and keep the impressions rolling in.  Just do us all a favor: keep a level head and give your review context (what headphones that you've OWNED recently/currently are you comparing the sound signature of the LCD2 to, mention if you're using a different amp, etc.).  Potential buyers, while I don't doubt the LCD2 are a very good headphone please keep in mind that virtually every headphone/gear that has come out in the last whatever years has been FOTM at some point.  Learn how to read reviews/impressions; the person and their experiences are much more important than fancy writing and hype inducing text will ever be.


I absolutely agree.  But just because there is hype, doesn't mean they aren't good.  The T1 had a lot of hype and it's still considered a great headphone.  I'm sure the HD800 did too.  I didn't follow the HD800.  I'm not convinced that these are the best headphones ever, but I am convinced they are worth $1000.
 
May 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM Post #1,283 of 18,459


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I absolutely agree.  But just because there is hype, doesn't mean they aren't good.  The T1 had a lot of hype and it's still considered a great headphone.  I'm sure the HD800 did too.  I didn't follow the HD800.  I'm not convinced that these are the best headphones ever, but I am convinced they are worth $1000.


Right.  They are really good, and (IMO) competitive with other top-tier headphones.  Does that make them perfect? Of course not.  I already am pretty sure some people will find the bass too much, and some will find the treble too soft (and I have said so several times).
 
And while the comfort has improved, if I could have just one headphone, it would still be the T1, as I find it significantly more comfortable (and very close in performance).
 
I like the LCD-2 a lot - but they will not be for everyone.  NO headphone is.
 
May 27, 2010 at 11:54 AM Post #1,284 of 18,459


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I absolutely agree.  But just because there is hype, doesn't mean they aren't good.  The T1 had a lot of hype and it's still considered a great headphone.  I'm sure the HD800 did too.  I didn't follow the HD800.  I'm not convinced that these are the best headphones ever, but I am convinced they are worth $1000.

I don't know that I've ever been "convinced" of the sound of anything by someone's words.  Such words may pique my interest and even set some of my expectations, but I have to hear it for myself be convinced of anything, and even that takes time.

 
 
May 27, 2010 at 11:56 AM Post #1,285 of 18,459


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I couldn't agree with Milos more and I think all this hype could do Audeze more harm then good.  I've seen more FOTM cases then I can count and the fallout can be quite severe even though there is nothing wrong with the product.


Specifically, to what "hype" do you refer?
 
May 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM Post #1,286 of 18,459


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/rant on
There have been plenty of comparisons made here in this, and other LCD-2 threads.   Surprisingly, there are many who expend great amounts of energy jumping up and down crying snake oil, and they can't sound that good, etc, etc.  Shut up and listen.  Instead of displaying ignorance at the top of one's collective lungs, shut up and listen.  Go listen to a pair for yourselves.  Don't cry "snake oil" until you've heard for yourselves.  Then tell us what you've heard, and why you think such and such.  I've never in my life seen such a phenomenon, where people will argue till they're blue in the face, when they haven't even heard the thing they're bashing!  Unbelievable!   Ask all the questions you want, but don't cry fowl until you've tasted the chicken for yourself.
/rant off

 
This is another unbecoming post, KW.  Not like you at all. 


 
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I haven't seen any hype yet.  I've seen lots of enthusiasm.  I've seen lots of anticipation.  Lots of fairly positive reports.  I've seen lots of empty bashing from those who've never even heard the can, but I haven't seen one word of advert from the manufacturers, except on their own web site.    Where's all the hyperbole?     
 


Absolutely no comment.
 
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May 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM Post #1,287 of 18,459


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I took that same setup to two local meets a few months ago and made sure these times that people were wearing them correctly and some of those same people were floored by the O2/717.
 
 


Please forgive me for off the topic a bit.  
 
Can you tell me how to wear the O2 correctly or a thread that shows the way to wear it correctly?  
 
May 27, 2010 at 12:14 PM Post #1,288 of 18,459

 
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Right.  They are really good, and (IMO) competitive with other top-tier headphones.  Does that make them perfect? Of course not.  I already am pretty sure some people will find the bass too much, and some will find the treble too soft (and I have said so several times).
 
And while the comfort has improved, if I could have just one headphone, it would still be the T1, as I find it significantly more comfortable (and very close in performance).
 
I like the LCD-2 a lot - but they will not be for everyone.  NO headphone is.


Thank you, that is a honest opinion.
I'll wait for more
 
May 27, 2010 at 12:29 PM Post #1,289 of 18,459
I had these phones in house for 5 days and I have to say, I was very impressed by them. Impressed enough to immediately order a pair. This coming from someone who stopped looking for headphones after getting HD800's. Two things to note beyond the fantastic sound quality. They feel heavy and uncomfortable when you first use them. Compared to the HD800's these are definitely heavier and chunkier. This really concerned me at first, but after a few days I got used to them, and was able to enjoy extended listening sessions without discomfort. The second thing is these seem to be amp/gear dependent. I first tried them with my Grant Fidelity 300B integrated. They were fine, but the high end seemed very rolled off, and the bass was loose. The only other single ended amp I had on hand was a CKIII. Much to my surprise the phones sounded much better on this amp. After a few cable swaps I started to hear what these phones are really capable off. The high end is very natural with maybe just a touch of roll off, and the bass was strong and deep. Instruments sounded right, and had great texture. Soundstaging felt smaller then the HD800's, but very realistic and accurate. Overall they are a pleasure to listen to and definitely give the HD800's a run for their money. Only time will tell which one will take the top seat in my house.
 

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