[JasonNYC]

Cool. I had not seen an announcement other than pending certification in the first post:

"The SP3000 will add Roon Ready support pending completion of testing and final certification by Roon Labs."

Maybe you can understand that this didn't go well for us SE100 and SR15 owners:

October 4, 2018:



AFAIK, the SP1000M didn't get it until August, 2001... As for the SE100 and SR15... well... never.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but...

SP3000 passed certification on Friday, but with Roon ARC being announced yesterday, Roon was holding off on announcing SP3000 certification until later this week. We were telling people at CanJam this past weekend that it was approved and so was the Roon team at their booth and that it would be announced later this week. I held off posting in the thread until Roon posted on the website and switched on in Roon Core, which they just did about 45 minutes ago.

Regarding the SE100 and SR15 - yes, you and I have discussed this many, many, many, many times in pretty much every AK thread. Initially when we announced we were working on Roon certification for players back at RMAF in 2018, we were led to believe it would be a quick process. Little did we know it would take over 2 years to overcome all the Android limitations to fully integrate Roon RAAT into AK players. It is also the reason why AK is the only DAP and only Android-based device to have bit-perfect Roon playback and be Roon Ready certified. Once certification happened in late 2020, it was first rolled out to SP1000, since the initial dev was done for over 2 years on that DAP, then slowly out to other current devices that were still available for purchase in retail. Since Roon RAAT code is fully integrated into the player software and each device has different hardware, it is not as simple as copying the firmware to a new device, the player software has to be rebuilt with Roon RAAT individually for each player, while still also developing and providing bug fixes and general software updates for players.

Roon Ready is being added to all players going forward as it is being integrated into the initial firmware from the start of software development for new models.

Personally, I would love to see Roon support to every wi-fi based player, including the ones that are multiple years old. Will it happen, most likely not at this point unless all software development is thrown behind rebuilding the software for the older players and dev is put aside doing updates for current gen players for the foreseeable future.

 

[JasonNYC]

Question:
Is the black on the SP3000 paint or anodised. Is this after a few years still perfect or is it gone on the edges or volume ring for example? Like the black one but maybe is the normal 904L nicer after a few years.

It is a PVD coating.

 

[rlw6534]

SP3000 passed certification on Friday, but with Roon ARC being announced yesterday, Roon was holding off on announcing SP3000 certification until later this week. We were telling people at CanJam this past weekend that it was approved and so was the Roon team at their booth and that it would be announced later this week. I held off posting in the thread until Roon posted on the website and switched on in Roon Core, which they just did about 45 minutes ago.

Regarding the SE100 and SR15 - yes, you and I have discussed this many, many, many, many times in pretty much every AK thread. Initially when we announced we were working on Roon certification for players back at RMAF in 2018, we were led to believe it would be a quick process. Little did we know it would take over 2 years to overcome all the Android limitations to fully integrate Roon RAAT into AK players. It is also the reason why AK is the only DAP and only Android-based device to have bit-perfect Roon playback and be Roon Ready certified. Once certification happened in late 2020, it was first rolled out to SP1000, since the initial dev was done for over 2 years on that DAP, then slowly out to other current devices that were still available for purchase in retail. Since Roon RAAT code is fully integrated into the player software and each device has different hardware, it is not as simple as copying the firmware to a new device, the player software has to be rebuilt with Roon RAAT individually for each player, while still also developing and providing bug fixes and general software updates for players.

Roon Ready is being added to all players going forward as it is being integrated into the initial firmware from the start of software development for new models.

Personally, I would love to see Roon support to every wi-fi based player, including the ones that are multiple years old. Will it happen, most likely not at this point unless all software development is thrown behind rebuilding the software for the older players and dev is put aside doing updates for current gen players for the foreseeable future.

Yeah, I should have let it go long ago... sorry about that.

Will the SR25 ever get Roon certification? I prefer the smaller form factor over the current larger players that are Roon Ready.

 

[JasonNYC]

Yeah, I should have let it go long ago... sorry about that.

Will the SR25 ever get Roon certification? I prefer the smaller form factor over the current larger players that are Roon Ready.

No worries. I completely understand the frustration and I am still pretty upset about it also not happening since we did initially talk about it coming to all devices.

Currently undecided if Roon Ready will ever come to the A&norma line. The issue that has been discussed between both Roon and the AK teams is the screen is much smaller than other devices and therefore may not provide the best experience. Personally, I have been arguing it should, especially since you still need to use a phone, tablet or computer at the moment to access Roon on any Roon Ready device. Unfortunately cannot say it ever will at this point, but myself and a few others here have been advocating for it.

 

[MatW]

FYI: running Roon ARC on my 8ii at and playing DSD from my collection remotely at full resolution (not without work; a bit of effort configuring my home network with port forwarding rules for my Roon core) . This app is truly game changing. I pre-ordered my SP3K and am truly hoping ARC can run on it by the time it releases!

Do you get it to play non DSD content bit perfect on your player? I tried on M9 (doesn't work at all) and ibasso (everything upsampled to 24/192).

Edit: if there is a better thread to discuss Roon ARC please someone link it for me.

 

[KPzypher]

@JasonNYC does sp3000 allow you to sort by album artist?

 

[JasonNYC]

@JasonNYC does sp3000 allow you to sort by album artist?

Not sure. I don't have one with me. Let me find out.

 

[vonBaron]

SP3000 is really desktop level hi-end sound, amazing DAP!

 

[arftech]

SP3000 is really desktop level hi-end sound, amazing DAP!

Have you heard it?

 

[vonBaron]

Im listen it right now.

 

[arftech]

How?

 

[OuYang]

After Roon 2.0 I think Roon ARC is a better way for DAP than Roon Ready and running Roon ARC APP on Android based DAP should be easier than implementing Roon Ready on Android.
I am also a SR15 user and we all know the Roon story...... so this time I will wait for the real thing happen and I still wish A&K can support Roon ARC officially in the near future.

 

[goldwerger]

Not sure what you mean that Roon Ready is vaporware for this DAP. It cleared Roon certification this weekend and is listed on the Roon website as Roon Ready -

now that Roon ARC is out - a critical release for on-the-go use of Roon - will your DAP support its APK?

I actually copied the Roon ARK apk on the services folder of my SP2000 and it didn't recognize it.. will that be coming up? I think for us Roon users this will be a key use case for a mobile device to be able to support, so would helpful to know

thank you...

 

[rlw6534]

now that Roon ARC is out - a critical release for on-the-go use of Roon - will your DAP support its APK?

I actually copied the Roon ARK apk on the services folder of my SP2000 and it didn't recognize it.. will that be coming up? I think for us Roon users this will be a key use case for a mobile device to be able to support, so would helpful to know

thank you...

Because Roon ARC requires Android 9 or above, it's not going to work on the SP1000/SP1000M/SP2000 even if it gets whitelisted. It should work on the SP3000 if A&K adds it to the list.

@JasonNYC

Android versions for your DAPs, please? This is essential information when trying to sideload apks.

This is my guess (only the SR15, SR25, SP1000, and SP1000M are verified):

SA700, KANN CUBE, SR15 - Android 5
SP2000, SP1000, SP1000M, SE200, SE100 - Android 6
SP2000T, SE180, KANN MAX, KANN ALPHA, SR25MKII, SR25, CA1000 - Android 9?
SP3000 - ?

 

[Fafner]

Because Roon ARC requires Android 9 or above, it's not going to wotk on the SP1000/SP1000M/SP2000 even if it gets whitelisted. It should work on the SP3000 if A&K adds it to the list.

@JasonNYC

Android versions for your DAPs, please? This is essential information when trying to sideload apks.

This is my guess (only the SR15, SR25, SP1000, and SP1000M are verified):

SA700, KANN CUBE, SR15 - Android 5
SP2000, SP1000, SP1000M, SE200, SE100 - Android 6
SP2000T, SE180, KANN MAX, KANN ALPHA, SR25MKII, SR25, CA1000 - Android 9?
SP3000 - ?

SP3000 is Android 11