AP80 - Hidizs next portable Hi-Res music player

Aug 15, 2020 at 7:53 AM Post #3,976 of 4,623
I can only answer for the AP80 pro. FM radio does not work with earphones plugged into the 2.5mm balanced port in the AP80 pro, but I cannot state if that is a rule for other players. It is frustrating, for example, if you want to take the AP80 pro with you on holiday but don't want to carry around two sets of earphones.

Thinking further about what @OmniscientNihilist said though, there might be a case not to connect the radio antenna circuit to the 2.5mm output if that can somehow introduce noise. The 2.5mm is a higher fidelity output, with higher output power, that could further amplify that noise. I don't know if that is the reasoning behind the AP80 pro design though, this is just a guess. Another guess is that it is a cost-cutting measure.

Continuing to think about this, there might be another, more likely, reason not to use the 2.5mm balanced output. as a radio antenna, which will probably be valid for all DAPs. As I understand it, one of the main points of using a 2.5mm is to reduce EM interference. The balanced cable carries two copies of each channel's signal. One of those copies is phase shifted before the wire begins, and shifted back before the termination of the wire, where both copies are added, resulting in higher power output which is also desirable in this case. The signal summation after the final phase correction removes all the EM interference received by the wire, and with it FM radio frequencies.

If one of you is an electrical engineer, feel free to chime in and correct my basic idea of what a balanced cable is.
 
Aug 15, 2020 at 10:56 AM Post #3,977 of 4,623
So my AP80 pro is working normally again, and so I now have sound from the 3.5mm output...

Feel like I tried everything, including:
- Shutting down by pressing the power button 10 seconds.
- Updating firmware to version 1.1
- Reset to factory defaults (many times).
- Tweaking settings
- Draining the battery until it wouldn't start, leaving it for a night and starting it again.

In the end what worked was connecting an earphone in the 3.5mm out and inserting a cable (no earphones, just the cable) repeatedly in the 2.5mm balanced out, wiggling it a bit.... and voila!

Having presented quite a big list of complaints on the AP80 pro, I must say that the one thing I can't really complain about is the sound quality - It is superb!
 
Aug 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM Post #3,978 of 4,623
If you want to talk about people with bad opinions, that would be those of use who did the kickstart campaign who then didn't receive units for many months after they were promised. And also during that time the Hidizs rep that was on here completely disappeared.

And yes, I was one of those who has/had a very bad opinion of this company. I like my AP80 (non-pro) and I like the way it soundst. Would I purchase another unit form then, never!

I begin to suspect the podcast/audiobook features that the Hidizs rep promised during the campaign may not materialize.
 
Aug 15, 2020 at 11:55 AM Post #3,979 of 4,623
I can only answer for the AP80 pro. FM radio does not work with earphones plugged into the 2.5mm balanced port in the AP80 pro, but I cannot state if that is a rule for other players. It is frustrating, for example, if you want to take the AP80 pro with you on holiday but don't want to carry around two sets of earphones.

Thinking further about what @OmniscientNihilist said though, there might be a case not to connect the radio antenna circuit to the 2.5mm output if that can somehow introduce noise. The 2.5mm is a higher fidelity output, with higher output power, that could further amplify that noise. I don't know if that is the reasoning behind the AP80 pro design though, this is just a guess. Another guess is that it is a cost-cutting measure.

why would you even need radio? i think u need to spend alot more time building up your flac music collection. then you wont give a crap about radio
 
Aug 15, 2020 at 12:45 PM Post #3,980 of 4,623
I begin to suspect the podcast/audiobook features that the Hidizs rep promised during the campaign may not materialize.
BEGIN to suspect??? :laughing:
Personally, I lost hope for that many moons ago...
 
Aug 15, 2020 at 2:43 PM Post #3,981 of 4,623
why would you even need radio? i think u need to spend alot more time building up your flac music collection. then you wont give a crap about radio

Well, I have ~400GB of music, mostly flac, but not all of it (started accumulating stuff in the 90s) and I have spent quite a long time making id3 tags consistent, fetching covers, etc. One of my hobbies is making shell scripts in linux to automate this stuff.

But alas, I listen to radio frequently, e.g. news, documentaries. If you are into Classical or Jazz for example BBC Radio 3 is excellent to discover new music. Another use case for me, since I travel a lot, is to listen to local radio when abroad - you would be amazed what you can learn of local cultures by listening to their radio stations.

So radio was one of the key features that made buy the AP80. In any case, I have to concede that there are good technical reasons not allow the 2.5mm balanced out to be an antenna - namely because EM interference, such as FM radio waves, is squashed in balanced cables, as I mentioned in my previous post.
 
Aug 16, 2020 at 1:43 AM Post #3,984 of 4,623
I can only answer for the AP80 pro. FM radio does not work with earphones plugged into the 2.5mm balanced port in the AP80 pro, but I cannot state if that is a rule for other players. It is frustrating, for example, if you want to take the AP80 pro with you on holiday but don't want to carry around two sets of earphones.

Thinking further about what @OmniscientNihilist said though, there might be a case not to connect the radio antenna circuit to the 2.5mm output if that can somehow introduce noise. The 2.5mm is a higher fidelity output, with higher output power, that could further amplify that noise. I don't know if that is the reasoning behind the AP80 pro design though, this is just a guess. Another guess is that it is a cost-cutting measure.


Have you considered carrying only a 2.5mm balanced cable for 2.5mm use and a 2.5mm-to-3.5mm adapter for 3.5mm unbalanced using the same cable?
https://www.amazon.com/DD-Balanced-...s=ddhifi+2.5mm+to+3.5mm&qid=1597556525&sr=8-3
 
Aug 16, 2020 at 7:03 AM Post #3,985 of 4,623
Aug 20, 2020 at 5:32 PM Post #3,986 of 4,623
what does the soundfield option in the ap80 do? it seems to help increase the soundstage of IEM's a bit. or at least he subjective experience of soundstage.

is this soundfield thing kinda like what bose hardwires into their headhpones? i notice my friends bose headphones sounded kinda spacey compared to my sony's
 
Aug 29, 2020 at 12:44 PM Post #3,987 of 4,623
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Aug 31, 2020 at 4:58 PM Post #3,989 of 4,623
Hi,just got the ap80 today.Initially had some scanning issues,but reformatted my scandisc card and reloaded some music files and looks like it might be okay now.
My problem is that I have certain music files that dont show under the artist or album listings.They appear under the file listing,but when I open the file it says no music.The files definitely have the music but it isnt being detected.Really random problem,for example I downloaded 5 files from one band,3 show up and 2 dont.
Any ideas?
 
Aug 31, 2020 at 5:03 PM Post #3,990 of 4,623
Hi,just got the ap80 today.Initially had some scanning issues,but reformatted my scandisc card and reloaded some music files and looks like it might be okay now.
My problem is that I have certain music files that dont show under the artist or album listings.They appear under the file listing,but when I open the file it says no music.The files definitely have the music but it isnt being detected.Really random problem,for example I downloaded 5 files from one band,3 show up and 2 dont.
Any ideas?

check these tips
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/ap8...es-music-player.878141/page-221#post-15250661
 

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