[HeadphoneAddict]

What about the Rat Shack mod here on head-fi (with thin pads installed under the bowls)? Or, quarter modded fat pads, like Senn 414 pads?

 

[donunus]

The quarter mod just adds treble. tried it before and nothing else in the tonality changed. In fact i have the reversed comfies of my sr60s. I actually like it better than just a straight quarter mod but its not really anything special. I havent tried thin pads under the bowls but i doubt it will cure the mids. I have a feeling it will just take down the highs which IMO dont need changing.

I have a feeling that the hornlike coloration is due to the hornlike shape of the bowls and not because of the drivers naked feeding sound to the ears. It probably needs a headphone really tuned with the bowls to take advantage of the bowls strengths and eliminate its weaknesses. Now I really wonder if the rs1s or mspros are without this coloration that I speak of.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by donunus /img/forum/go_quote.gif The quarter mod just adds treble. tried it before and nothing else in the tonality changed. In fact i have the reversed comfies of my sr60s. I actually like it better than just a straight quarter mod but its not really anything special. I havent tried thin pads under the bowls but i doubt it will cure the mids. I have a feeling it will just take down the highs which IMO dont need changing. I have a feeling that the hornlike coloration is due to the hornlike shape of the bowls and not because of the drivers naked feeding sound to the ears. It probably needs a headphone really tuned with the bowls to take advantage of the bowls strengths and eliminate its weaknesses. Now I really wonder if the rs1s or mspros are without this coloration that I speak of.

Yes, the RS-1 and RS-2 with bowls are without that coloration. The RS-1 can handle flats a lot better than RS-2 (which can get a little congested with flats just like the MS-1).

The RS-2 with bowls is a more refined, rich, organic and detailed version of the MS-1 with comfys sound.

The RS-1 with flats is touching on HP-1000 territory (I've tried both side by side) and is similar to an RS-2 with bowls (but with more bass than RS-2, and closer to HP-1000 bass).

The RS-1 with bowls is nice and open and less forward than MS-1/comfys or RS-2/bowls, without the horn-like coloration you mention.

The HF-1 are closer to the RS-1 in regards to response to flats and bowls, but the HF-1 with bowls can be a little too distant for rock, but never horn-like mids that irritate, more like sucked out mids.

I still think the MS-1 are a very well balanced cost effective headphone that competes with headphones twice it's cost, and should be used with comfys.


PS: Did you try the quarter modded Senn 414 pads, you didn't say? I asked what about thicker pads with qtr mod. I haven't tried them, but I have some pads here I can cut.

 

[sailboat]

I've had the MS1's with bowls for a couple of months now and I think the sound changes depending on how much use the pads have seen. My bowls are softer and flatter than before and don't sound the way they did when I first got them.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

Has anyone tried the MS-1 with reversed bowls, which would be a little taller than official flats?

 

[donunus]

you mean just flipping over the bowls? i tried that very quickly with my sr60s and it was similar to the bowl sound. I should do some listening with my ms1s with reverse bowls.

And about the 414 question, no i havent heard those yet but i hear that they sound very similar to reversed comfies that i did. reversed comfies are just comfies that you make a big enough hole so that it fits on the housing for reversing.

 

[nickchen]

No, reversed 414s have their own sound signature IMO, different from bowls and comfies. I personally can't stand the comfies, things become too dark for my liking.

 

[donunus]

you should try the bowls on the ms1 nickchen. You will hear the extreme mids that you hated on the ad2000s with the ms1's hehehe

 

[nickchen]

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Originally Posted by donunus /img/forum/go_quote.gif you should try the bowls on the ms1 nickchen. You will hear the extreme mids that you hated on the ad2000s with the ms1's hehehe

I can't. My distancers are fixed with superglue, can't be bothered destroying them for some undesired back-to-stock procedures. But I remember well how well they sounded without distancers and with reversed 414s.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

So, I guess I'll have to dig out those unused 414 pads and do the 'reversed 414' trick.

(well except that I now have the distancers to install like nickchen)

 

[nickchen]

Wouldn't recommend a reversed 414 / distancer combination (lacks coherence in the mids section). If you use reversed 414s, you better keep them stock.

Taste question though...

 

[donunus]

I think I should have kept quiet until the ms1s settled with burn in because a quick listening session after a 24 hour straight burn in took down the mids raucousness a bit with the bowls. I'll post more impressions after adding another 50 hours straight using the chesky burn in track.

Nickchen,
I am really interested in your mod now that ive listened to all the pads except for the 414. Its just that I'll do that last and after I get tired of all the other pads because after all, it is irreversible.

 

[HeadphoneAddict]

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Originally Posted by donunus /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think I should have kept quiet until the ms1s settled with burn in because a quick listening session after a 24 hour straight burn in took down the mids raucousness a bit with the bowls. I'll post more impressions after adding another 50 hours straight using the chesky burn in track.

LOL

I knew it!

Everything I said in my original PM about SR-60 vs MS-1 and various pads is coming true.

 

[nickchen]

It's reversible if you fix the distancers with blue tac or so.

 

[donunus]

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif LOL I knew it! Everything I said in my original PM about SR-60 vs MS-1 and various pads is coming true.

If the mids settle down enough, I know bowls will be the hands down winner in sound for me