I still think well-balanced headphones are a very useful tool when working with music in any manner. When I compose, mix or master [a starting one-man army for now] I usually use headphones to pan instruments, check for noise and often to balance the mix as well, despite having a good pair of near-fields. It won't quite give you the idea in terms of bass response, I agree but it is valuable for many things :]
I still think well-balanced headphones are a very useful tool when working with music in any manner. When I compose, mix or master [a starting one-man army for now] I usually use headphones to pan instruments, check for noise and often to balance the mix as well, despite having a good pair of near-fields. It won't quite give you the idea in terms of bass response, I agree but it is valuable for many things :]
Well yeah as long as you use multiple monitor sources you're fine.
The best engineers I've seen always duck outside and listen to mixes on their car sound systems.
But lately headphone companies have been peddling their headphones as all-in-one mixing solutions and charging thousands-and prices keep getting higher and higher.
Head Fi'ers are under the impression that the more they spend on headphones the better their mixing will be when in reality the opposite is true. Because everything will sound great on a high end headphone, but when you play that mix back on a normal headphone the soundstage disappears, bass bloat comes out with a vengeance because you couldn't hear it on the high end headphones, and everything sounds muddy because the treble was boosted on the high end headphone and you subconsciously backed off on the highs.
That is of course *if* you used that high end headphone as your only monitor.
Well yeah as long as you use multiple monitor sources you're fine.
The best engineers I've seen always duck outside and listen to mixes on their car sound systems.
But lately headphone companies have been peddling their headphones as all-in-one mixing solutions and charging thousands-and prices keep getting higher and higher.
Head Fi'ers are under the impression that the more they spend on headphones the better their mixing will be when in reality the opposite is true. Because everything will sound great on a high end headphone, but when you play that mix back on a normal headphone the soundstage disappears, bass bloat comes out with a vengeance because you couldn't hear it on the high end headphones, and everything sounds muddy because the treble was boosted on the high end headphone and you subconsciously backed off on the highs.
That is of course *if* you used that high end headphone as your only monitor.
Certainly good points there.
I agree I wouldn't be able to do bass properly on a headphone alone, even if I end up doing a high pass / low cut filter down to say ~40Hz on most work, unless it's a genre that necessitates that kind of bass...
And indeed, testing for car audio is a big challenge in itself. It is often a struggle to determine the lowest common denominator but int rems of bass it certainly is car audio
In all, I do the bane of my production with the monitors, but panning and listening for noise / minute details [because good headphones reveal this very well] is something I've found easier to do on headphones
my experience:
K872 have more bass than K812 - and
K872 sounds more 'musicality'
But I don't have an Ether C to compare both.
K872 offers more relaxed enjoyment of music.
The K812 ist the Swiss Army Knife for sound engineers and offers each peace of cake of blotchiness in the music stream.
This is interesting. I have heard people say the K872 is bassier than they'd like and now I hear about it being rolled off. The graph below is for its open sibling the K812 which everyone seems to agree is less bassy. That hardly looks like a headphone lacking low end. Even the sub roll off on that is minor given that it's an open audiophile can. Their K872 actually has more sub bass extension and a smaller high end peak than the former flagship K712 which many are familiar with. I've heard that one and it has great sub bass response for an open, and while the highs were present I didn't find it excessive. I just put it here for the sake of discussion.
Yeah, incorrect graphs are why I started my database. The graphs just weren't syncing with what I was hearing.
All I do is record a song through a binaural mic. I compare the recording with the original file. If it has less bass than the original file, then the bass is rolled off. If it has more bass than the original, then the bass is boosted.
In every case it reflects what I actually hear and not what I see. But every recording I compare with the original file to hear what is boosted or reduced.
Interesting, the Head Room uses a binaural. Also, waveforms in your DAW for the Nighthawk show that earlier area very subdued. They clearly boost the bass / subs.
This is interesting. I have heard people say the K872 is bassier than they'd like and now I hear about it being rolled off. The graph below is for its open sibling the K812 which everyone seems to agree is less bassy. That hardly looks like a headphone lacking low end. Even the sub roll off on that is minor given that it's an open audiophile can. Their K872 actually has more sub bass extension and a smaller high end peak than the former flagship K712 which many are familiar with. I've heard that one and it has great sub bass response for an open, and while the highs were present I didn't find it excessive. I just put it here for the sake of discussion.
Interesting, the Head Room uses a binaural. Also, waveforms in your DAW for the Nighthawk show that earlier area very subdued. They clearly boost the bass / subs.
I knew that, I was thinking the level of the bass that was creating a larger waveform. It's also a matter of perception. The graph on the HD650 looks really nice for example and it is what I hear in the highs and mids. The low end on every graph I see is way different than what I hear (it shows more low mids and mid bass than I think it really has). Further, so many call the HD650 warm, even bloated in the lower mids higher bass area (as the graph reflects) and that is an area I found lacking (in addition to the sub bass of course).
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