[Penchum]

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Originally Posted by Vandal /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ahh!! Just what I was looking for. Something to make me feel good about the decision!! Thanks man, really. At least I know someone else has the exact same thing. Tell me the bass is deep, but is it tight? Some say the HD650 has flabby, boomy bass. Is this true?

Here is the thing about the HD-650s that is difficult to describe. If a bass note in your music is a tight, low,deep kick in the pants type note, the 650 will faithfully reproduce it (I just love that!). If another bass note is long, kinda sloppy, hanging out there for too long, the HD-650 will faithfully reproduce that as well. They are very "accurate" headphones. This is why some people might say "flabby or flatulent"

but what really is happening is their music has these properties, and the HD-650s are reproducing exactly what the signal has. Hope this helps some!!

 

[jterp7]

thats definitely true..it really reveals the quality (or lack thereof) of the source..I was using it to watch casino royale at 720p..and this appears in certain scenes at the beginning with the explosions and what not

 

[speakerhead]

If one of your requirements is that you like Bass get the HD650's they are a fun headphone.

If you are a true audiophile and like to hear your recordings the way they were ORIGINALLY recorded get the K701's.

The K701's have a sound stage that the HD650's wish it had, while the positive for the HD650's is how smooth the sound is which makes for easy but not accurate listening.

Wanted to clarify the K701's are not lacking bass, they just do not add bass where it does not exist. When there is Bass in the recording it produces it accurately without boosting it like the HD650's

 

[Penchum]

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Originally Posted by Colt /img/forum/go_quote.gif Well put!

Thanks Colt. I've been trying to figure out how to say that for some time.

I guess speakerhead wants someone to tussle with him this morning. Its Friday people!

 

[speakerhead]

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Originally Posted by Penchum /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanks Colt. I've been trying to figure out how to say that for some time. I guess speakerhead wants someone to tussle with him this morning. Its Friday people!

haha not really I own both

I enjoy listening to both just giving my honest opinion on the headphones I own.

 

[Penchum]

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Originally Posted by speakerhead /img/forum/go_quote.gif haha not really I own both I enjoy listening to both just giving my honest opinion on the headphones I own.

Good!

Then you will understand when I tell you that it is not appropriate to insinuate people are "not true audiophiles" unless they agree with your opinions on which headphone is better.

Have a good weekend!

 

[jcn3]

i think the best sentiment that has been expressed is that you can't go wrong with either. both are very scalable and get better as you give them better amplification.

as a former senn owner, i agree that the 650s are very full sounding, accurate, and not in any way flabby. they also really respond to balanced cables/systems. oh, yes -- for me VERY comfortable.

i think the 701s are best described as very clean -- they delineate the smallest details. on my old ppx3 slam, i found the bass to be very nice -- full, deep, and tight. i also found these very comfortable. changing cables is difficult -- they weren't made to be plug-n-play like the senns.

enjoy the journey, you're trying to decide from among the best.

 

[speakerhead]

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Originally Posted by Penchum /img/forum/go_quote.gif Good! Then you will understand when I tell you that it is not appropriate to insinuate people are "not true audiophiles" unless they agree with your opinions on which headphone is better. Have a good weekend!

Keep your panties on.

Everyone has a different idea on what being an Audiophile means.

For me that means that you reproduce the music the way the recording engineer and artist intended it to be heard.

 

[Penchum]

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Originally Posted by speakerhead /img/forum/go_quote.gif Keep your panties on. Everyone has a different idea on what being an Audiophile means. For me that means that you reproduce the music the way the recording engineer and artist intended it to be heard.

Well, I guess you didn't understand anyway. Thats fine. I'm not going to get into it with you. The OP deserves to have his thread help him out, so lets do that instead.

Have a nice weekend anyway.

 

[spinali]

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Originally Posted by Colt /img/forum/go_quote.gif Given the thirst of current of the K701 (just 93 dB/mW efficiency at only 62 ohm, while the HD650 has 97 dB/mW even at 300 ohm), I would rather say the opposite.

I've listened to both, back to back. I can't argue with the numbers, but K701 volume seemed louder. With say, a Senn/iPod combo, I can't reach peak volume; with the K701, I can't play peak volume without extreme discomfort.

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Originally Posted by Colt /img/forum/go_quote.gif To me with that you're saying that the K701 isn't accurate; on the other hand, the HD650 being 'lush' doesn't make it less accurate (to me it isn't even that lush, honestly, so that's debtable at least).

Lush: "Very rich and providing great sensory pleasure." When I listen to the Senns, the rich bass is almost the dictionary definition. True, "accurate" is very difficult to pin down. But I've done a little studio work, and I believe the K701 delivers the sound closer to my original studio recording than the Senn, which can add a patina of bass.

In either case, this discussion proves it's clearly debatable. as you say.

 

[ken36]

You fine young gents wear me out. I own both the K701s and the HD650. On a given day I will choose one over the other. Don't ask me why. I couldn't tell you or even justify it to myself. I just make it so.

 

[kool bubba ice]

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Originally Posted by Vandal /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ahh!! Just what I was looking for. Something to make me feel good about the decision!! Thanks man, really. At least I know someone else has the exact same thing. Tell me the bass is deep, but is it tight? Some say the HD650 has flabby, boomy bass. Is this true?

Depends entirely on amping.. & balancing them helps too..

 

[Kataklystik]

Like others stated before, they both have advantages and drawbacks.
When I tried out the K701 vs. the HD650 in a shop they were both pre burn in and with the CDs I brought with me I liked the K701 better.
However I get really fast listening fatigue when I listen to very fast music (e.g. technical death metal) with heavy treble.
Recently I was able to listen to a modded HD580 (650 cable, defoamed) with my own setup and I really enjoyed it on some music (the music I can't stand for a long time with my K701). Actually I liked it so much that I am considering a HD650 or a HD600 as my second headphone.
If I buy one I will keep both because for guitars (acoustic and electric), vocals and classical the Senns can't replace my K701.

So basically get one of them now and the other one later

 

[PiccoloNamek]

Having finally managed to hear the K701 in relatively quiet conditions, I feel that I can now offer some help in regard to this frequently recurring debate.

From what I heard, the K701s are fairly brighter than the HD650s, especially in the 7-10kHz area. The gives cymbals and other brilliant-sounding instruments a chalky and gritty coloration. Some people may prefer this. I don't. It sounds like something is "sticking out" of the frequency response, if you will.

I don't think that they lack bass at all. I would say that they are only slightly less bassy than the HD580s or 6XX headphones. At any rate the treble coloration means they are definitely not what I would call neutral.

The HD650s are perhaps slightly bassier and are smoother throughout the entire frequency range, with no obvious peaks or bumps to most people. A very small number of users complain of a frequency spike in the lower treble, but this is rare.

The 650s are definitely more comfortable. The circular pads on the K701s put a lot of pressure on my face and jaw. The headband bothered my head as well, a common complaint.

 

[koguma2000]

K701 has great sound field and great in reproducing "airs" when listing acoustic music

I am wondering if I should challenge its limit by trying balance amping.