2Est Super Tweeter in (up to 80Khz S-highs Extension)
It was modified by adding some low frequency while the midrange and high frequencies remains to sound smooth and coherent with crystal-clear detail and definition on the vocals and instruments.
Pros: Natural sound with enhanced bass
Based on the well praised meta tuning
Good build quality and ergonomics
Simple but stylish design
Midrange has more richness than the original
Textured and strong bass response
Slight softness to transients
Fixed hardware on the cable instead of modular
Cons: Not as open and clean midrange as the original
Not the most technical performer
Bass and softness take away some clarity and speed
Many will probably prefer the original Mega5EST
Hisenior Mega5EST Bass+
Disclaimer
I got the Hisenior Mega5EST Bass+ for free in return for a review, I can say whatever I want without any guidelines from Hisenior.
All impressions are my own subjective thoughts after having used them for a good time. These are my thoughts at this moment, and as time moves I might change my opinion.
This is also a very subjective hobby where everything from experience, anatomy or age will affect what we hear. Also keep in mind that it is easy to use bold words when talking about differences, while it may be perceived as a small change for you.
While I can perceive something as natural sounding, I do believe we can never get a perfect performance similar to what is achieved live.
Ranking System:
1 Very bad or unlistenable
2 Listenable but not good
3 Average
4 Very good
5 Exceptional or having a special sauce
My rating system highly values what is musical for me, so my rating will always be a subjective opinion.
My audio preference is neutral with some warmth, I can also like forward midrange and treble if not excessive. I am a believer in having different tuned gears for different genres or moods instead of chasing the single perfect one.
Main music genres I listen to are metal, electronica, jazz and pop. I am a music lover, and can also listen to most genres and enjoy it.
I have been into music gear since the mid 90s, gifted some big speakers at an early age. Then moved more and more into headphones with my entry being Koss Porta Pro and a Sony Discman.
I have tried playing many instruments over the years from piano to saxophone without getting far, this due to not having the biggest patience in learning to play.
My current favorites in Headphones are ZMF Verite Open and HFA Dahlia.
My current favorites in IEMs are LETSHUOER Cadenza 12 and THIEAUDIO Origin.
My current favorites in Earbuds are FranQL Caelum and Venture Electronics Zen 3.0.
Gear used in the main rig is Denafrips Ares 12th-1 DAC together with the AUNE S17 Pro EVO headphone amplifier. I also use tube amplification with Cayin HA-2A, perfect to change up the sound.
Portable gear being Shanling M8T and iBasso DX180, with some dongles like HIBY FC6 and ifi GO pod Kensei.
This is the bass variant of the well received Mega5EST model, the model that did put Hisenior on the radar all around the world. I previously have reviewed the Mega5EST Anniversary model, I adored it and the only thing I missed was some extra warmth.
So here we have exactly that, the Mega5EST with more bass (5dB) making it warmer and more full sounding. This model was originally made to be a part of a collaboration with another reviewer, this was cancelled and it is now sold as its own product by Hisenior.
If we look away from the tuning differences, the IEM is the same with a little more nice cable and adapter.
Manta 532-cores UP-OCC SPC premium cable
3.5mm to 4.4mm Converter
Manatee Leather Case
3Pairs Balance Silicone Eartips (4.5mm L.M.S)
3Pairs Bass+ Silicone Eartips (3.9mm L.M.S)
2Pairs Foam Eartips (4.9mm M)
Clean Wiper
Cable Clip
2Pairs Backup Metal Grill
The right earpiece has black resin with a red/orange faceplate, the sparkle effect is a nice touch. The earpieces also have Hisenior’s new logo, the triangle of sound.
The photo is a little purple due to the lighting, but the left earpiece is black all around. With the faceplate having a subtle glitter effect, much less than the right earpiece.
The Mega5EST Bass has the same ergonomic shell as the original Mega5EST and other Hisenior models, it uses a flat 2 pin socket and have a metal ventilation hole. The hole is much smaller than the original Mega5EST, probably a part of the tuning to get more bass.
The nozzles have a mesh that looks a little different than the usual type, so the holes have different sizes. The nozzle is also in metal and has a nice groove to hold onto the ear tips, the width of the nozzle is 6.2mm. It should work well with most eartips, and the length and width is within the average size.
There is also a serial number on the shell with the model name Bass+, mine is labeled 0000 as this is a review sample.
The included accessories are great, and gives you everything you need to start listening.
You get plenty of eartips, and even for my picky ears I can use all of them except the blue and foam type.
The IEM puck is of nice quality, it is safe with soft material on the inside and a button so keep it closed. The cable is also of nice quality and is terminated in 4.4mm, there is an included 4.44mm to 3.5mm adapter cable for those that use single ended. There was some drama some time back since the Bass+ model was delivered with a 3.5mm cable and the adapter to do the opposite, this has now been changed around so it's safe to use.
The new Manta cable is of very good quality, it is a little stiff and thick but still very comfortable and it looks very nice together with the Bass.
If I summarize the sound description I would call this a basshead natural set, as in being a warm and thick sounding while still sounding natural. Sort of how it is when you have a natural sounding stereo system, then you go and turn the bass knob up to get some more fun.
Details and soundstage
Detail in IEMs is down mostly to quality driver and how it amplitudes the frequencies, also when the drivers is faster it increases the resolution you hear.
The original Mega5EST was above average detailed and resolving, without having to depend on elevated upper frequencies to boost the details. The Bass+ has the same level of technical sound and drivers, but one thing takes away some detail and makes it less open sounding. That is the bass part of the Bass+, this goes into the midrange and changes the balance of the sound. If we cut some bass with EQ this sound is close to the same as the original, so it's an effect of having more bass that make it less open and fast.
Timbre
The bass reaches deep and has very good elasticity on Bass+, it is good at faster drum parts and more slow synth or string parts. I love my bass and I am very picky, I find it very easy to evaluate the speed and elasticity quality. If we have slow on one side and fast DDs on the other, the Bass+ is close to the middle.
It can then work well with most music genres and not sound too slow on stuff like double pedal drums in metal, and still be good at slower cello parts where it needs sustained bass notes. The balance between sub and mid bass is close to perfect for my taste, this is since the sub bass has no clear roll of and follows a linear rise from the start of the mids. I dont have the original model anymore, but from my old notes and a comparison set the speed was probably a little faster on the original.
Compared to the original Mega5EST the Bass+ also has more mid bass weight, this elevation also affects the lower midrange making it sound much fuller and engaging. I bet there is many different opinion on the Mega5EST Bass+, one thing is the elevated bass response and the other is the little extra glide into the midrange. For my taste I want it to go into the midrange like this, I found both vocals and instruments to sound more realistic then. If you have ever heard a live performance of a jazz trio, stuff like cello or piano is supposed to sound full and engaging.
I am not here to make a debate about what's correct or not, but for my taste this approach of the low midrange is more accurate.
The rest of the midrange and treble is the same as the original, if we look at measurements it can perhaps be a slight change in the treble. I think this is more due to unit variance, so I will assume both sound the same up top.
So you get a natural midrange without being peaky and aggressive, and treble that is well extended in a natural way. Part of this tuning is what many call the meta tuning, having less pina. I love this tuning style and it's my favorite type of sound lately, the reason is that the sound is still clear but way less aggressive. Some vocal lovers will probably lack the energy they are used to from female vocalists, while others like me enjoy it not being as intense.
The air is well extended and has a natural shimmer, it doesn't sound too blunt falling off and dont trail too long making everything too airy. I could argue it could have had more upper midrange and treble to get more clarity, to balance the extra low end in the Bass+. But for my taste I find it good as it is, and will look at it as the basshead version of the new meta tuning.
Synergies with accessories and sources
Stock cable is excellent, I did test a pure silver and some other ones. But I don't find any need to change it out, it sounds good and doesn't limit the sound in any way. For me the Divinus Velvet Wide was the best silicon tip on Bass+, using teh Baroque is also a nice way to make it less warm. Tips are very personal, so I advise you to check out yourself what works best.
I find the Mega5EST Bass+ to change some depending on source, and is clearly better with some DAPs or dongles than others. More neutral gear is best with it, example being ifi GO Bar Kensei or iBasso DX180. They keep it more natural and clear sounding, changing to Shanling M8T is also great but instead gives it a more euphonic and warm sound.
I love to test my IEMs on my desktop gear to see how they pair with both tubes or just strong headphone amp, the Bass+ do sound more controlled on the S17 Pro EVO with its class A power. Not that it needs this type of power, but I find it to scale and it sounds more balanced this way.
On the other hand using my Cayin HA-2A makes Mega5EST Bass+ into a true basshead experience, I believe a part of this is that it has more impedance on the output. This is very fun when you want to go fully into basshead territory, but this comes at the price of losing both clarity and air.
Comparisons
When evaluating the sets I use each of them over longer periods and also some shorter sessions swapping back and forth, it takes a long time and is not done in one sitting. The most critical comparison is done on my desktop setup that is highly resolving, with volume matching to take away loudness variance.
Oracle MKIII - Mega5EST Bass+ - RA - KE4
The spider chart is slightly exaggerated on some points to show differences, this is a subjective evaluation and reflects what I prefer. And I have used more sets in this comparison than I am used to, so the spider graph is a little messy.
Thieaudio Oracle MKIII
This is the third generation of the vocal focused Oracle series, priced at $589. It has a 2DD 2BA and 2EST configuration, there is no mention of what type of brand from the drivers.
The Oracle MKIII needs about 10% more volume to get equally loud, one difference is that it's often that I play louder on the Bass+ as it's less bright. The shells are about the same size and the same for ergonomics being equal.
This is very similar to the comparison of OMK3 and Mega5EST, this time what changes is that the Bass+ is more warm and thick sounding. They are both good for the price they are at, and among the best tribrids.
The detail level is a step above with OMK3, slightly more microdetails and has a clearer sound. Part of this is tuning but also the drivers being a little faster in the bass and also having more clean transients.
Soundstage is very personal, for me Mega5EST Bass+ is wider and has more of a stereo sound, Oracle MKII is more deep and high with a more spherical stage.
Bass is deep on both, Mega5EST Bass+ have stronger mid bass punch and also even more rumbly sub bass. I still hear more sub bass details with the double DD of Thieaudio, but there is not that large difference. What is the most obvious difference is that Bass+ will always be more thick and fun with stronger overall bass, the Oracle MKIII instead being more balanced in its approach.
You get cleaner midrange with more clarity focused sound on Oracle MKIII, both due to no midrange thickness and also because of more elevated upper mids. So while Bass+ is more smooth and relaxed the Oracle MKIII is more focused and clear, I find Mega5EST best for male/darker vocals and Oracle MKIII for female/brighter vocalists. If you're more sensitive to brighter elements like cymbals then Bass+(or original) is the obvious choice.
The upper treble does seem a little more extended with OMK3, it has a little more shimmer and lingers for longer. But both have what I consider high quality treble.
They are sets that work very well together, for example I would rather have OMK3 + Bass+ than owing the two variants of Mega5EST.
Alpha Omega RA
This is the entry level set from the Malaysia brand Alpha Omega $699, it uses 10mm Beryllium DD 4 Sonion BA and 2 Sonion EST. Both deliver excellent drivers and good quality shells, the comfort is better on Bass+ as the nozzle and shell is smaller. They need about the same amount of power, little similar to Oracle MkIII this also need just a little more than Bass+.
The detail level of the low end is a small step above Bass+, but the rest of the sound is more soft and dark making it less resolving and clear. Soundstage has a similar type of wide stereo image, but with better imaging on Bass+.
I love the bass quality on RA, but the Mega5EST Bass+ can be very close in quality. Slightly more tactile and fast bass on RA, the Bass+instead has more thickness and slower decay. Definition is similar on both, and is more down to preferences. Good thing about Mega5EST Bass+ it has a richer sound, this is also my own preference. So overall most music can sound more warm with Bass+ low end, making it a more fun set.
The midrange is less thick down low but at the upper end more forward in the pina, some music will because of this be more intense but other times more soft. Part of the reason RA is softer is due to the sibilance dip is large, and it has less extension and energy in the highs.
Bass+ has more sense of detail and air, making it sound more high end.
This makes the RA have more of a L shaped tonality and is overall more dark, while I adored the flagship from Alpha Omega the RA never connected the same way as it lacks that upper end. The RA is kind of unique as it uses EST alone for the treble, so it has a little more shimmery effect even if it's softer.
So even while the bass quality could perhaps go above Mega5EST Bass+, the rest is not as refined and up the quality of Bass+. For me the Bass+ is the overall winner, and the one I would own if I could only have one of them.
Kiwi Ears KE4
I was supposed to compare this one, as it has the meta tuning and is warmer than the original Mega5EST. But the sound is of much lower quality than the others here, I would advise to move up to Bass+ or the normal version instead. The KE4 is a sub $200 set with 2DD and 2 Knowles BA.
Bass is softer and less defined, the impact is less tactile and punchy. Midrange not as clean and natural, same with the highs. It's an overall worse IEM, for the money it's excellent value but it doesn't stand the competition to Bass+ in sound quality.
Thieaudio Origin
I know many want a comparison to this, this is a higher end model with more advanced tech. I will keep this shorter than the other two comparisons,I find Bass+ a good alternative to Origin depending on taste and also to save some cash. Origin has a 10mm DD BC 4BA and 2 EST, all from branded drivers.
The shell is much larger and less ergonomic, but quality is the same. Origin needs slightly more power, and doesn't sound as good at low volume as Bass+.
Bass is more tactile and has higher definition on Origin, both in sub bass and the mid bass. It moves more air when it plays music like Angel from Massive Attack, the bass here is softer on Bass+.
They have a similar measurement, but the immersiveness and clarity is higher on Origin. Part of this I believe is because of the BC, as it adds an extra layer to the midrange making it more detailed and textured. Treble is almost equal and with slightly more finesse and openness to Origin.
When comparing Mega5EST Bass+ I have used the tracks listed here and more, I will also provide a few albums I have enjoyed during these weeks with Mega5EST Bass+. Similar as the mega5EST the tuning works with everything, just some genres that are a little better than other.
Conclusion
The Hisenior Mega5EST Bass+ takes the well-received meta tuning of the original Mega5EST and adds a 5dB bass boost, for some this is perfect and for others not needed. I for one love this addition, and this is the variant I would have picked for my library and taste.
The Bass+ version is excellent for audiophiles who want a warmer, more bass-focused sound while maintaining the natural characteristics of the original Mega5EST. However, those prioritizing a more natural sound will probably enjoy the original more.
You get a very nice package here, with good accessories like premium cable, storage puck and plenty of eartips. The IEM also has a good quality shell in resin with a nice design, the shell is made ergonomic and is not too large in size.
For me this is an easy recommendation, 78/100 score and 4.5 stars on Head-fi.
Placed the order for bass+ ciem.
Do you guys have any preferences regarding whige whale or manta cables? Not sure what to choose, as idk if it matters at all.
I just ordered mine! I wanted an upgrade over the Moondrop Variations but with a warmer sound. The 7th Anniversary weren’t there yet but looking at graphs these seem to be what I was looking for!
This is the best set I own. I don't have many sets over 300GBP nor kilobuck IEMs, my most expensive set was the Moondrop Variations and this improves over the Variations in every way. Fit and comfort is okay, sound is superb, accessories are quality.
The 3.5mm cable is surely not giving them justice and I am still waiting for the 4.4 cable from HiFiGo, I am waiting to spend some time with them using a balanced connection but in the meantime I can give a 5 star rating of sound when listening different albums:
- Eminem, The Death of Slim Shady: 5/5
- Kendric Lamar, GNX: 5/5
- Steven Wilson, The Harmony Codex: 5/5
- Sum 41, Heaven X Hell: 4/5
- Mastodon, Crack The Skye: 5/5
- Arch Enemy, Rise of The Tyrant: 4/5
- Slipknot, IOWA: 4/5
- Dream Theater, Metropolis Pt.2: 5/5
- Opeth, The Last Will and Testament: 5/5
- Michael Jackson, Thriller: 5/5
- King Crimson, In The Court of the Crimson King: 5/5
I will go into details in my review but I can tell that with congested and punchy mixes (Punk Rock, Hard Rock, Nu Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal) they are not at their best. I personally prefer something simpler like the FatFreq Deuce with those genres or something more V-Shaped like the Meze Alba. Hip-hop is an exception because the clean bass united to the other qualities of the Mega5EST really make for an amazing sound!
For things like Prog Rock/Metal, Pop, Alternative Rock...they just shine. They give you the detail, the punch and enough sound-stage to feel like headphones, more than IEMs.
Placed the order for bass+ ciem.
Do you guys have any preferences regarding whige whale or manta cables? Not sure what to choose, as idk if it matters at all.
Hi, thank you so much for the comparison and info.
After the refinement to the origin (it doesnt have to basshead territory as long as the quality is there with this tuning), do you think origin would have wider and a deeper soundstage by a mile? Also would you say is it detailed enough to catch the details without much effort? Highs seems to be perfect for me, vocals and mids also seems to be great so far as long as they're not recessed (there are some conflicts from what I see, some says its too forward with vocals, some says recessed.).
I have the pilgrim noir, which I like. Do you have any experience with it to give some comparison? (Although I wish that it had more bass) (Sorry for asking so much ) Not tuning wise, but again soundstage width/depth and resolution. Also the quality of the bass instead of how much it is there.
Hi, sorry for the very late response!
From my limited experience I think that the soundstage between Origins and Mega5EST Bass+ is comparable, but the Mega5 sounded cleaner to my ears. The positioning of instruments sounded more natural to me, at least.
But I have to say that if you prefer the extra rumble the Origins have that warmth factor that sets them apart without losing much in "spatial awareness", if it does make sense.
Unfortunately I have never tried the Pilgrim Noir, but my impression is that tonality would be the biggest changing factor, due to the drives composition. I have to say that I am not fan of all BAs or hibrid IEMs much. I miss the ESTs in the highs and nothing sounds as natural as a DD in Bass and Mid-Bass frequencies. So over time I started leaning towards al DD or Tribrid sets.
@Or1onSLi
Thanks for your response. Quite coincidentally, I auditioned the Mega5EST Bass+ for the first time just today, along with several others, and I preferred the cheaper Kiwi Ears Punch and the far more expensive Theiaudio Origin.
@Or1onSLi
Thanks for your response. Quite coincidentally, I auditioned the Mega5EST Bass+ for the first time just today, along with several others, and I preferred the cheaper Kiwi Ears Punch and the far more expensive Theiaudio Origin.
Hey mate, yeah as I said before if you like a certain type of sub-bass there is better out there. This is still a neutral leaning set with a bit of punch. I have the FatFreq Deuce for the basshead feeling, but more than that feels like too much bass to me, I've always like more analytical sets with a bit of warmth. Did you buy one in the end or stiull on the fence between the Kiwi Ears and the Thieaudio?
Given that people like the mmk3 a lot more than the origin makes me feel bad i have the mmk3 here without use while
i wait for the hisenior bass+ ciem.
I asked thieaudio's support which is ass, if i can reshell or buy a new mmk3 as ciem, they said they dont do ciems..
hope the ciem bass+ wont let down.
I feel like che terminations are of higher quality and the cable sleeve becomes easier to manage after just a few sessions. Also it doesn't have inverse polarity like the White Whale has (I might be wrong on this but I clearly remember having a problem with that).
From an Aesthetic point of view I prefer the steel-like colouring of the terminations over the blueish tint of the WW. From a sound point of view I don;t think there is much difference, but I don't have a White Whale at home to A/B test...I have to ask a friend if he can lend me the cable to review my impressions, it was 3 months ago last time I held one.
A.t.m. I'm super happy with the Manta and how it looks though.
Given that people like the mmk3 a lot more than the origin makes me feel bad i have the mmk3 here without use while
i wait for the hisenior bass+ ciem.
I asked thieaudio's support which is ass, if i can reshell or buy a new mmk3 as ciem, they said they dont do ciems..
hope the ciem bass+ wont let down.
Unfortunately, until I make it to CanJam next month, I've not auditioned any Theiaudio earphone, apart from the Origin. However, I definitely prefer the Origin over the Mega5EST Bass+.
Thanks for the warning regarding Theiaudio's customer service!
I feel like che terminations are of higher quality and the cable sleeve becomes easier to manage after just a few sessions. Also it doesn't have inverse polarity like the White Whale has (I might be wrong on this but I clearly remember having a problem with that).
From an Aesthetic point of view I prefer the steel-like colouring of the terminations over the blueish tint of the WW. From a sound point of view I don;t think there is much difference, but I don't have a White Whale at home to A/B test...I have to ask a friend if he can lend me the cable to review my impressions, it was 3 months ago last time I held one.
A.t.m. I'm super happy with the Manta and how it looks though.
For me, the improvement over the WhiteWhale 4.4mm is substantial. I’m experiencing better resolution, separation, detail, and clarity with the Manta. The "signature" is quite similar, but with thicker mids; it doesn’t over-emphasize the bass, and as I mentioned earlier, the overall technical performance has improved. It still sounds bassy, but with a cleaner presentation and slightly more emphasized mids, it gives a more "balanced" sound, I can even notice this in the listening volume. I highly recommend this cable! It definitely seems made for this IEM, great synergy (better than with the WhiteWhale 4.4mm).
And if you don’t believe in cables, that’s fine too! :s
For me, the improvement over the WhiteWhale 4.4mm is substantial. I’m experiencing better resolution, separation, detail, and clarity with the Manta. The "signature" is quite similar, but with thicker mids; it doesn’t over-emphasize the bass, and as I mentioned earlier, the overall technical performance has improved. It still sounds bassy, but with a cleaner presentation and slightly more emphasized mids, it gives a more "balanced" sound, I can even notice this in the listening volume. I highly recommend this cable! It definitely seems made for this IEM, great synergy (better than with the WhiteWhale 4.4mm).
And if you don’t believe in cables, that’s fine too! :s
Thanks a lot for the explanation, I am waiting for a ciem version with manta, will update when it arrives, not sure when yet, hisenior's SA on instagram told me the ciems are made by only 2 of their technicians so if they are on time off, proccess is delayed further
@Hoods do you know / tried to see if the iems scale with different amps? I wonder it ill notice changes between lets say questyle m15 and wa7 firefles 3rd gen as with monarch mk3, i notice none, doesnt scale or change the sound.
@Hoods do you know / tried to see if the iems scale with different amps? I wonder it ill notice changes between lets say questyle m15 and wa7 firefles 3rd gen as with monarch mk3, i notice none, doesnt scale or change the sound.
From my experience I can tell that if properly powered you won’t notice any difference. The big differentiator would be changing between solid state and valve amps.
A good dongle like the Questyle M15 or a good DAP like the HiBy R3 would already push the IEM to it’s designed sound at 99%. Changing the source would surely change some aspect of the sound but the sound signature would not be altered that much. The biggest leap I heard was going from SE to Balanced…for some reason the new cable works better than the previous one…I haven’t tried 3rd party cables.
@Hoods do you know / tried to see if the iems scale with different amps? I wonder it ill notice changes between lets say questyle m15 and wa7 firefles 3rd gen as with monarch mk3, i notice none, doesnt scale or change the sound.
I think you should notice an improvement, but I’m not sure how much it scales, to be honest
If you notice changes in the sound, it’s always due to the "signature" of the source. Depending on your preferences, you can decide whether it sounds better or worse, although sometimes we identify that it sounds objectively better but we don’t end up liking it.
From my experience I can tell that if properly powered you won’t notice any difference. The big differentiator would be changing between solid state and valve amps.
A good dongle like the Questyle M15 or a good DAP like the HiBy R3 would already push the IEM to it’s designed sound at 99%. Changing the source would surely change some aspect of the sound but the sound signature would not be altered that much. The biggest leap I heard was going from SE to Balanced…for some reason the new cable works better than the previous one…I haven’t tried 3rd party cables.
What I did do was an A/B test with both cables. I used the same source and music from Qobuz via Audirvana exclusive mode, and the difference was pretty obvious right away. I also checked the continuity of both cables and they were the same, so yeah, the Manta is better overall. I tried it with another ivipQ cable too, but wasn’t totally convinced by the result (though it did improve the technical aspects compared to the WhiteWhale, the final sound wasn’t as good, it sounded more artificial).
Note: I’m not really a cable guy, I always use the stock one. With the Mega5EST Bass+, I’ve had the chance to try it with different cables, and I’ve noticed some significant changes, both in the technical aspects of the IEM and in the overall enjoyment. Still, my practical recommendation would be to buy an IEM with a "good" cable (at least nice-looking, and visually durable like this model with the Manta) and stick with tip-rolling
From my experience I can tell that if properly powered you won’t notice any difference. The big differentiator would be changing between solid state and valve amps
makes sense ye.
for instance i could tell the sound on wa7 was better than the sound of the 788 monolith dac/amp on the diana v2 when i had them, and barely on the arya organic that i have.
but couldnt tell crap when plugged the monarch mk3, it sounded amazing on both, didnt manage to hear the differences.
still waiting on the ciem to come : /
i plan to keep only the m15 of all my gear as i lost interest in headphones and desktop gear. i find the mmk3 on a simple apple dongle or m15 better than any headphone i tried, just cant stand uiems for more than 1 hr, hence the ciem attempt ; )
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