ZMF Verite Closed-New Closed Back ZMF Flagship.

Nov 5, 2019 at 2:33 PM Post #1,456 of 13,084
How is the mic on the GX cable? Can you buy that cable separate from headphones?
I’m not seeing the mic cable on the Audeze accessories page yet, but I imagine they will be up once they build up a supply of them...a little bird told me the delay in them getting out was due to limited availability of that particular cable.

The mic is good enough for everyday use, and gaming...I wouldn’t use it to do professional work though(I.e. voiceover work, reviews, etc). But conference calls and what not it works well and I’ve received no complaints from anyone I’ve used it with yet...
 
Nov 5, 2019 at 5:11 PM Post #1,457 of 13,084
Hello audio friends,

So I've had the Verite closed for about month ish, and Dayum! They have it all. It's hard to grasp that these are closed and can do what they do.

If you're on the fence about getting them vs something else or getting in general, pull the trigger. Do it do it do it.

I've tried most of the top tier HPs on the market and each one is good in their own right, but there was always just a little something missing .. sometimes I could put my finger on it and sometimes not. This isn't the case with the VC.

Put them on and listen to Simon and Garfunkel "The Boxer".. and you're not going to be able to not buy them. It's an experience. The instrument separation and sound stage are crazy good. Take that with superior resolution and you have something special indeed.
JMO but I see what all the hype is about- it's real!
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 2:36 PM Post #1,458 of 13,084
+1 to that. Since getting my VC last month my poor Empyreans have been getting very lonely.

Like you say there is definitely something magical about the VC that just makes music sound so natural. The fact that they are closed as well is a big bonus, even though I am not in a loud environment the blacker background definitely makes a difference to overall immersion.

Pads wise I have settled on the Auteur pads, they seem to sound a bit more expansive and have a tad more bass which I like (totally not a bass head at all...) everything is just right sounding. Though I am very interested in the hybrid pads when they release but mainly from a comfort point of view. They are fairly heavy but I wouldn't say they are too bad and they don't get uncomfortable which speaks volumes of the design.

Finally something which sounds equivalent to my speaker setup, obviously the presentation is a bit different but equally enjoyable.
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 3:52 PM Post #1,459 of 13,084
Anyone getting upgraded cables with the VC's, if so, much difference from the stock cable?
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 4:06 PM Post #1,460 of 13,084
Anyone getting upgraded cables with the VC's, if so, much difference from the stock cable?

Yes, so far I've made 4 cored and 8 core (22awg per core) Neotech UPOCC silver and its makes a considerable difference/ improvement over stock cables and most on OCC silver or copper. Of course a cable can only enhance whats already there, but this type of silver improves dynamics, bings more control (especially at the low end), better layering and extension at both ends. The 8 core adds a little bit more of everything over the 4 core. I have also experimented wiht mono-crystal copper too and the improvements while considerable over the stock cable for incredibly reasonable price, they dont come close to what the equivalent can do, but the price hike is not inconsiderable too.

The VC's appear to scale beautifully and IMO can really make the most of communicating the any tweaks in the chain around them, the HP cable having one of the most pronounced effects on wire front.
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM Post #1,461 of 13,084
Yes, so far I've made 4 cored and 8 core (22awg per core) Neotech UPOCC silver and its makes a considerable difference/ improvement over stock cables and most on OCC silver or copper. Of course a cable can only enhance whats already there, but this type of silver improves dynamics, bings more control (especially at the low end), better layering and extension at both ends. The 8 core adds a little bit more of everything over the 4 core. I have also experimented wiht mono-crystal copper too and the improvements while considerable over the stock cable for incredibly reasonable price, they dont come close to what the equivalent can do, but the price hike is not inconsiderable too.

The VC's appear to scale beautifully and IMO can really make the most of communicating the any tweaks in the chain around them, the HP cable having one of the most pronounced effects on wire front.
Interesting! Thanks for that info!
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 5:19 PM Post #1,462 of 13,084
Interesting! Thanks for that info!

Sorry I probably should qualify my comments a bit.

After spending small fortunes over the years on shop bought cables i decided to take a few apart and then spent about 6 months lost in a rabbit hole experimenting lots of different wire from different manufacturers, in different combinations. The upshot of which was the only wire that made instant tangible improvements was mono crystal copper or silver, the best of which is made by neotech, who supply most of the worlds high end hifi manufacturers, while spending very little time marketing to consumers.

The larger proportion of aftermarket and stock cables are made of oxygen free copper, some of which is silver plated to very little effect and all of the examples I’ve heard sound pretty similar. It’s much easier to manufacturer than continuous mono crystal and therefore is more readily available and much cheaper. As far as i can tell unlike interconnects or digital cables, shielding is pretty inconsequential with hp cables so anyone focus on it in the marketing is offering you that dreaded “snake oil”. The most important features to look for are the weight/ gauge and type of conductor used.

with silver you need 4 cores or more of 24awg wire, the heavier the better. Any less and the sound can be thin, cold and potentially bright. Contrary to commonly held misconceptions, silver shouldn’t sound bright, in the right quantity it should give a smooth, natural almost warm side of neutral sound, but separation and detail retrieval should be improved as should dynamics, bass will be extended and really kick, but controlled while mids should have liquid natural quality. In my experience a good upocc silver cable makes pretty much any headphone sound better. Interestingly when I’ve blind tested it on some of my long suffering audio mates, it’s been regularly mistaken for copper.

upocc copper also bucks the copper trend and is actually very airy precise with lovely full deep bass, also with a good amount of kick. Its incredibly good value. And if you’re up for getting the soldering iron out £50 (bass on 1.5m 4 core) will get you a cable that will out perform any stock cable or OFC cable at pretty much any price point.

if you don’t fancy getting your hands dirty, there are a few cable companies like artic and cosmic-cables.co.uk who are using neotech’s upocc wire and selling at a very reasonable price. I am also happy to talk through the shopping list and give point by point build instructions, but be warned once you hear what you can get for fraction of the price of often inferior shop bought alternatives, this can become highly addictive! :wink: :)

apologies for taking us even further off topic!
 
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Nov 6, 2019 at 5:35 PM Post #1,463 of 13,084
How is the sound leakage on the VCs? By that I mean people around me hearing leaked sounds from the headphones. I work in a somewhat open office, so sound leakage is something that I need to take into consideration. For instance, even though the th900mk2s are closed, people around you can still hear your music.

I have some Shure se-846 earbuds, but I’m not happy with the way they feel after a bit.

also, in terms of glasses, are the VCs glasses friendly, or no?

those two issues are deal breakers for me
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 6:23 PM Post #1,465 of 13,084
How is the sound leakage on the VCs? By that I mean people around me hearing leaked sounds from the headphones. I work in a somewhat open office, so sound leakage is something that I need to take into consideration. For instance, even though the th900mk2s are closed, people around you can still hear your music.

I have some Shure se-846 earbuds, but I’m not happy with the way they feel after a bit.

also, in terms of glasses, are the VCs glasses friendly, or no?

those two issues are deal breakers for me
Apparently you havent seen my VC review.
I wear glasses all the time when listening and have zero issues.
In my review I talk about isolation. They do it extremely well.
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 8:57 PM Post #1,466 of 13,084
Sorry I probably should qualify my comments a bit.

After spending small fortunes over the years on shop bought cables i decided to take a few apart and then spent about 6 months lost in a rabbit hole experimenting lots of different wire from different manufacturers, in different combinations. The upshot of which was the only wire that made instant tangible improvements was mono crystal copper or silver, the best of which is made by neotech, who supply most of the worlds high end hifi manufacturers, while spending very little time marketing to consumers.

The larger proportion of aftermarket and stock cables are made of oxygen free copper, some of which is silver plated to very little effect and all of the examples I’ve heard sound pretty similar. It’s much easier to manufacturer than continuous mono crystal and therefore is more readily available and much cheaper. As far as i can tell unlike interconnects or digital cables, shielding is pretty inconsequential with hp cables so anyone focus on it in the marketing is offering you that dreaded “snake oil”. The most important features to look for are the weight/ gauge and type of conductor used.

with silver you need 4 cores or more of 24awg wire, the heavier the better. Any less and the sound can be thin, cold and potentially bright. Contrary to commonly held misconceptions, silver shouldn’t sound bright, in the right quantity it should give a smooth, natural almost warm side of neutral sound, but separation and detail retrieval should be improved as should dynamics, bass will be extended and really kick, but controlled while mids should have liquid natural quality. In my experience a good upocc silver cable makes pretty much any headphone sound better. Interestingly when I’ve blind tested it on some of my long suffering audio mates, it’s been regularly mistaken for copper.

upocc copper also bucks the copper trend and is actually very airy precise with lovely full deep bass, also with a good amount of kick. Its incredibly good value. And if you’re up for getting the soldering iron out £50 (bass on 1.5m 4 core) will get you a cable that will out perform any stock cable or OFC cable at pretty much any price point.

if you don’t fancy getting your hands dirty, there are a few cable companies like artic and cosmic-cables.co.uk who are using neotech’s upocc wire and selling at a very reasonable price. I am also happy to talk through the shopping list and give point by point build instructions, but be warned once you hear what you can get for fraction of the price of often inferior shop bought alternatives, this can become highly addictive! :wink: :)

apologies for taking us even further off topic!

I have used upocc copper on ZMF Eikon - it is really good.
 
Nov 6, 2019 at 9:10 PM Post #1,467 of 13,084
To date, the VC is the only headphone I don't use EQ on. Sure, I probably wouldn't mind using it, but I'm completely satisfied with the stock sound on the universe pads. All other headphones, I've used EQ modification after a few days because the stock sounds were missing something.

Out of all the planars and estats I tried, they don't have enough punch that would make me consider them to be more enjoyable. The ethereal sound of estat and smooth sound of planars are just one way to describe having little impact.
 
Nov 7, 2019 at 12:01 AM Post #1,468 of 13,084
I’ve actually been using the Verite closed to play games at night (awesome by the way! Mostly playing Destiny 2 and the new COD)...Currently rocking out on the Schiit Hel with them on my gaming PC while listening to my rando playlist I created for a different forum while playing some PC games =) I don't have lossless streaming on my gaming PC currently as most of my listening is done on my Mac system =) but here is what I'm jamming too while shooting aliens ;)

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/371tHL75YskgfAHBfZTaH2?si=gwBdrhbZSJKn3aXNPXOL2w
 
Nov 7, 2019 at 12:29 AM Post #1,469 of 13,084
Hello audio friends,

So I've had the Verite closed for about month ish, and Dayum! They have it all. It's hard to grasp that these are closed and can do what they do.

If you're on the fence about getting them vs something else or getting in general, pull the trigger. Do it do it do it.

I've tried most of the top tier HPs on the market and each one is good in their own right, but there was always just a little something missing .. sometimes I could put my finger on it and sometimes not. This isn't the case with the VC.

Put them on and listen to Simon and Garfunkel "The Boxer".. and you're not going to be able to not buy them. It's an experience. The instrument separation and sound stage are crazy good. Take that with superior resolution and you have something special indeed.
JMO but I see what all the hype is about- it's real!

Absolutely, I’m listening to Little Feat’s “Waiting for Columbus” for the 10,000 time, the percussion and Memphis Horns are sublime. For those of you, who didn’t go to college in the 80’s this remains one of the best live albums I’ve ever heard (too me at least) ever made. The VC captures the gestalt of the raucous party that Feat was.
 
Nov 7, 2019 at 12:31 AM Post #1,470 of 13,084
How is the sound leakage on the VCs? By that I mean people around me hearing leaked sounds from the headphones. I work in a somewhat open office, so sound leakage is something that I need to take into consideration. For instance, even though the th900mk2s are closed, people around you can still hear your music.

I have some Shure se-846 earbuds, but I’m not happy with the way they feel after a bit.

also, in terms of glasses, are the VCs glasses friendly, or no?

those two issues are deal breakers for me

I wear reading glasses an Mrs. Wildcat sleeps peacefully right next to me!
 

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