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This forums likes to speculate that "outsiders" have an ulterior motive and I don't. My motivation is purely about science itself (how to construct a scientific argument, etc). This forum likes to pretend "outsiders" are anti-science and I am not. As soon as I say something that people do not like, I get angry responses and personal attacks instead of anyone actually trying to have a civilised conversation.While I can definitely understand that perspective, I think it is disingenuous and dishonest to profess having no ulterior motive, just to be proven otherwise after. He would not have come anywhere close to being treated this way if he approached the forum with respect and did not attempt to deconstruct science for his own profitable motive.
I find it completely disgusting how the audiophile world is infested with anti-science snake oilers. The way they subterfuge science from the ground up is not unlike how cults brainwash the fundamental connection to reality of the victims. While I was never quite convinced by the anti-science attempt, if it wasn't for experienced posters here, I would have been out of arguments, and be left with a lingering doubt about my understanding of audio science. THAT was the danger and absolutely atrocious what was attempted here. Like I said in the FH7 thread, it sounded like FUD to me and indeed it was exactly as I thought.
This forums likes to speculate that "outsiders" have an ulterior motive and I don't. My motivation is purely about science itself (how to construct a scientific argument, etc). This forum likes to pretend "outsiders" are anti-science and I am not. As soon as I say something that people do not like, I get angry responses and personal attacks instead of anyone actually trying to have a civilised conversation.
The thing is, I love science and I have dedicated my life to it. So when I see people who clearly have an interest in science do things incorrectly, I get the urge to correct that. There are several members here that can teach me an awful lot about sound engineering, but when it comes to science (its methodological principles, etc) that is very much the other way around. However, if I have to wade through a torrent of abuse every time I post because people can't see the difference between my hobby (audio) and my profession (science), then I walk away as I did.
Think of me as you must, but also think about why it is that in this forum the bullies always "win".
How do you mean?Maybe because there's a something towards being sincere, honest and truthful.
I guess you were referring to my cable reviews that caused such a stir again. I say "again" because contrary to what some people here pretend, I have never made a secret about it and I have been attacked for it here before. Moreover, as I stated very clearly earlier on, I am not interested in discussing whether or not cables actually make a difference. All I wanted to do was point out that the arguments presented here (on a multitude of topics) are not constructed consistently. It is not about arguing right or wrong, it is about how the argument is constructed.Maybe because there's a something towards being sincere, honest and truthful.
[1] I very much doubt I will ever be able to convince anyone here to look critically at their own arguments in order for them to improve their quality,
[2] as long as people are more concerned about keeping things polarised.
[3] I will leave here ...
[4] but suggest you read something and not just read it, but try to understand the key points it makes and reflect on those for yourself.
This forums likes to speculate that "outsiders" have an ulterior motive and I don't
I very much doubt I will ever be able to convince anyone here to look critically at their own arguments in order for them to improve their quality,
The problem is not understanding the difference between a hobby and a profession. The problem is squaring someone who’s “dedicated [their] life to science” with reviews devoid of anything resembling it.This forums likes to speculate that "outsiders" have an ulterior motive and I don't. My motivation is purely about science itself (how to construct a scientific argument, etc). This forum likes to pretend "outsiders" are anti-science and I am not. As soon as I say something that people do not like, I get angry responses and personal attacks instead of anyone actually trying to have a civilised conversation.
The thing is, I love science and I have dedicated my life to it. So when I see people who clearly have an interest in science do things incorrectly, I get the urge to correct that. There are several members here that can teach me an awful lot about sound engineering, but when it comes to science (its methodological principles, etc) that is very much the other way around. However, if I have to wade through a torrent of abuse every time I post because people can't see the difference between my hobby (audio) and my profession (science), then I walk away as I did.
Think of me as you must, but also think about why it is that in this forum the bullies always "win".
The problem is not understanding the difference between a hobby and a profession.
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I find it a little sad that disagreements about some idea so often degrade into attacks on the poster himself. I won't be hypocritical and pretend that I'm perfect, all the regulars of this forum have seen me trying to e-destroy someone. but anytime it happens(me or anybody else sharing my views), I feel like in a way we've lost the argument.
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TBH, his reviews don't claim to be scientific research. while for better or for worst, this section is called Sound Science. can't really blame the guy for having certain expectations toward a section with that name.The problem is not understanding the difference between a hobby and a profession. The problem is squaring someone who’s “dedicated [their] life to science” with reviews devoid of anything resembling it.
It doesn’t help that you come in making a lot of noise about how most of what goes on here isn’t “science”, and then play the misunderstood, bullied victim when called out. Help us understand how your reviews fit into a life dedicated to science, because right now the evidence points to your posts largely being a bunch of hot air.
a kids behavior should be handled the way we would a kid. if it's not you own and you get bored of going nowhere talking to him, ignore him and after a while he'll go away. to quote our wise 56k ancestors, don't feed the trolls. if the situation is that of an old kid throwing a tantrum while you guys are bullying him to try and chase him away, as a modo, I think you're the baddies.I would tend to think the opposite: that personal assaults thrown in the context of a logical argument does not and should not be used to discredit said logical argument. Because it is the witting tactic or unwitting tendency of the anti-logical side to inflame emotions. Also because, by definition, in a logic-vs-illogic fight, one side needs to think strenuously in logic while the other does not--it simply has to throw up another flowery screen of words as soon as one is shot down. It is not a fair fight from the beginning. Expecting the same level of "civility" from both sides (while one side wreaks barbaric havoc on sane thought with everyone's implicit approval) would the last of my worries in moderating such a fight.
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