What foods won't you eat?
Sep 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM Post #211 of 424
OK - that explains a whole lot then.  The info I got that brocolli, cabbage, lettuce etc contained complex carbs was actually from a nutritionalist.  I guess there are a lot of different views.  I knew about the whole grains, but didn't know about the brown rice.  And I actually thought potatoes were simple carb based - because she told me to avoid them if I could, and concentrate on the leafy greens.  I guess that's more in line with what you were saying though - cutting down on carbs altogether.
 
Anyway - I've derailed this thread enough.  Will try and get another one going re weight loss and nutrition later tonight, then I'll definitely be asking for your help with anything I'm not sure about.  Thanks grokit!
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 3:02 AM Post #212 of 424

 
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There's this radical new study that found if you reduce your caloric intake and increase caloric burn you loose weight.  Freaking crazy!
 
Btw, Dr. Campbell from 'Forks over Knives' is so full of crap and bad science he even has no choice but to basically concede it if you actually read his study.  He tucks it away and buries it.  Watching that movie was like reading most of the stuff in the 'science' forum here.  The logical flaw should be easy to spot in the analytical linkage he makes with his conclusion.  That guy is a borderline shill.  It's just a diet gimmick like all the rest.  
 
Don't eat crap and don't overeat.  The answer has always been there.   


Sorry, but where is the "logical flaw" that is so obvious.  You're talking about this Dr. Campbell who is largely responsible for this study as being "full of crap and bad science", yes?  Gimmick diet?  It's a diet millions of people have maintained healthy lives with for centuries.  How is that a gimmick?  I guess I missed some of that, or just don't share the same cynicism.  That said, I don't subscribe to his diet as a cure-all, but it wouldn't occur to me to throw out that kind of criticism either.  The film is not rhetoric, in my view.   It's simply people sharing their enthusiasm for what they've found works for them and others.  What's wrong with that?  You can take it or leave it.  No one is twisting your arm. 
 
I'd have to agree with you on your other points, most certainly - don't eat crap and don't overeat, and watch your calories and exercise.  Can't argue with any of that.  Good sound simplistic and basic advice that withstands the test of time, though may not withstand the test of what's being done to our livestock and food supplies in recent years.  I think it's not getting so simple as that anymore.  Or rather the definition of "crap" may have a much broader application now and likely forever more. 
 
I guess my lack of cynicism in viewing Campbell's findings (I've only just recently, as in the past month, become aware of him and his study) come from some personal experience that happened a few years ago.  One of my best friends is around 62.  A few years ago he had a heart attack.  He'd smoked a pack a day most of his life and chews nicotine gum now.  It had been 10 years since he'd quit cigarettes when he had his heart attack.  He ate poorly, was overweight and out of shape.  He had two stents put in, and was told that when he had recovered from that surgery that two more arteries were so clogged that he'd have to have two more put in, or else have bypass surgery. Barring either of those his prognosis pointed to his moving six feet under sometime quite soon.  He was looking death square in the face, and the doctors were not at all encouraging.  He did a whole lot of research in the time that he was recovering and his research lead him not to Dr. Campbell, but to some other Chicago surgeon who subscribed to some of the same beliefs as Campbell concludes in his study.  As a result he went on a vegan diet cold turkey (pun not intended).  This is a guy who ate meat at every meal, ate fast foods, ate out a whole lot, drank every night, chewed nicotine gum, was about 50 lbs overweight and couldn't do much sustained physical effort.  In two months he'd lost 40 lbs and I hadn't seen him looking so fit and healthy since he was in his 30's.  He did some regular exercise as well during his recovery (and still does).  When he went back to the hospital and went through the barrage of tests, scans, probes and xrays that the docs put him through they were all dumbfounded.  His clogged arteries had entirely opened up and were completely normal, and his stress test reflected the results of a much younger man.  He no longer had to make the choice to go under the knife again.  Two years later he's remained on that diet and continues to amaze his heart specialists, his arteries remain clear, and he remains healthy and very happy.  They took him off of Plavix a year ago and he's doing just great.  Pretty amazing what the human body is capable of. 
 
As I said in previous posts, I don't subscribe or advocate any one way of eating healthy.  Everyone is different.  A vegetarian diet has not worked well for me, but I'd not be adverse to trying again, being more informed now than I was in the past.  In general, I've found a wider range of healthy food in moderation has worked pretty well for me as far as I can tell.  But I'm definitely inspired by stories like my friend's, which I witnessed first hand.  I'm glad he's still here.  I'm sure he, and his wife and kids are as well.  His transformation is truly astounding on any terms. 
 
If Campbell wanted to just make some money being a shill, he could have stuck with the family business and promoted the family dairy farm and not had all of the food and health establishment all over him like white on rice for actually encouraging people to take control of their own health in a way that does not support the power players in the food and health industries.  Instead his studies do not make him very popular at all in the research community or the food and agriculture and health industries.  Not really an easy way to make a buck if you ask me.  Or in short, he simply comes off to me as someone who believes in what he's dedicate his life to, and indeed walks the walk himself, and is living proof of the validity diet he advocates...for him, not necessarily for everyone. 
 
If I found something that worked for me that way, I'd want to share it with everyone I could who would listen too.  It gives one a sense of contributing in some small way...to helping others.  Whether it's sharing enthusiasm for headphones, a diet, a film, or simple advice that has worked for you in the past.
 
 
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 4:14 AM Post #213 of 424
I just thought i would mention that some people do not make enough money or have enough time after work to prepare a healthy meal.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 4:42 AM Post #214 of 424


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I just thought i would mention that some people do not make enough money or have enough time after work to prepare a healthy meal.



You'd be surprised how easy it is Casey.  Here's an example:
Whole grain pita bread
Lean turkey breast (or lean Lamb or Lean Venison or Lean Beef) - you don't need a lot
Raw red onion
Lettuce
Tomato
Low fat dressing
Low fat cheese
Low fat sweet chili sauce.
 
Either dry fry or grill the meat.  You don't need a lot - it's going into a pita filling - so only 50-100g is plenty (3-5 minutes)
Microwave the pita bread
Place lettuce sliced tomato, sliced onion on the pita bread
Use a low fat dressing if you want to.
Meat on the salad (on the pita)
Drizzle with the sweet chili
Add a slice of low fat cheese
Fold the pita bread into a wrap
 
Consume
 
Finish with an apple and make sure you finish with a glass of water.
 
Tasty, filling, healthy - and can be made in under 10 minutes.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 4:59 AM Post #215 of 424
I'm not very fond of caper fruit.  I'm sure it's very good for you but it has that slimy texture foods cooked with okra also have.
 
Tried a Durian smoothie once and I don't think I'll ever do that again.
 
Hmm... and for my last one, cooked fish eyeballs.  I've tried them but they just don't taste that great.  I'm impressed that people eat raw goat and cow eyeballs in other cultures, popping them straight into their mouths.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 5:33 AM Post #216 of 424
One of the things I will always avoid is meat from cows, deers, buffaloes, pigs and other animals like that from another country. Why not??? B.S.E!!! Cats apparently get mad cow disease as well (via eating beef or whatever else with B.S.E) and ever since it popped up in Asia via U.S imported beef cats aren't even safe anymore..... Not that I'd ever eat a cat anyway but then again you don't always know what you are actually eating in a restaurant. I won't eat eyeballs and I saw people eating giant fish eyeballs on TV. Brains and sex organs
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. I'm not into eating other people either
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Sep 19, 2011 at 5:50 AM Post #217 of 424


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Low fat cheese
Low fat sweet chili sauce.


sorry, but What is low fat cheese?
and there is no fat in sweet chilli sauce? its all sugar, which is 'fat free' but will be turned into fat if you don't use the energy
 
 
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 6:17 AM Post #220 of 424
Snoop Doggy Dogg endorses chicken and waffles.  Not sure what Dr. Dre would endorse, though.  I'm sure he probably owns at least one restaurant somewhere or a liquor brand.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/08/technology/internet/08virtual.html?ref=technology
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After seeing that many teenagers were spending their time and allowances there, Ms. Schwartz explained the concept to Snoop Dogg. She said it was an easy sell, given that Snoop Dogg had been one of the first rap musicians to license works for ring tones and voice tones. His only requirement was that all of the goods be “true to himself,” down to the hair braids, house slippers and plates of Roscoe’s chicken and waffles he regularly eats in Los Angeles.

 
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 6:33 AM Post #221 of 424


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sorry, but What is low fat cheese?
and there is no fat in sweet chilli sauce? its all sugar, which is 'fat free' but will be turned into fat if you don't use the energy
 
 


You can get low fat cheese ..... have you never been shopping?  Here - second link from google (http://lowfatcooking.about.com/od/faqs/f/cheese.htm)
 
Also try googling the low fat sweet chili sauce.- you'll get plenty of hits.  You're right about authentic sweet chili sauces - they don't generally have any fat - but a lot of the commercial ones commonly available on supermarket shelves (I'm talking about NZ here) have fat added.  A lot of sauces do.  So I always look at the fat, sugar, sodium and calorie count.
 
When I lost a lot of weight last year, it was amazing to find out how much fat we consume.  There are plenty of alternatives so you don't have to go without condiments.  You just need to eat smart.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 6:48 AM Post #222 of 424
Low fat is BS, it usually means full of corn syrup in sauces and dressings which isn't good for you at all. Use extra virgin olive oil instead, which is 100% fat and extremely healthy for you. If you want heat add some Tabasco.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 8:14 AM Post #223 of 424
Low fat is BS, it usually means full of corn syrup in sauces and dressings which isn't good for you at all. Use extra virgin olive oil instead, which is 100% fat and extremely healthy for you. If you want heat add some Tabasco.


i agree. i never understood why people always fall for the low-fat junk. if it's prepared food from scratch then it's fine to eat. even bacon and eggs are no where near a problem people make it out to be. i actually found out that cholesterol found is eggs your body uses to convert it to free-testosterone if ate responsibility. the reason why most people have issues with weight-gain is cause of all this low-calorie,low-fat junk that nutritious try to shove down self-conscience people throats. funny thing is i see all the time people depend on magic pills and foods to make them healthier which in reality it all comes down to your activity level and most important your sleeping habits. sleeping habits is also the number one cause for most people.

stay healthy is basically all it is, is common sense.
 
Sep 19, 2011 at 8:42 AM Post #224 of 424


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i agree. i never understood why people always fall for the low-fat junk. if it's prepared food from scratch then it's fine to eat. even bacon and eggs are no where near a problem people make it out to be. i actually found out that cholesterol found is eggs your body uses to convert it to free-testosterone if ate responsibility. the reason why most people have issues with weight-gain is cause of all this low-calorie,low-fat junk that nutritious try to shove down self-conscience people throats. funny thing is i see all the time people depend on magic pills and foods to make them healthier which in reality it all comes down to your activity level and most important your sleeping habits. sleeping habits is also the number one cause for most people.

stay healthy is basically all it is, is common sense.


I'm going to start eating eggs responsibly now then 
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Sep 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM Post #225 of 424


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I'm going to start eating eggs responsibly now then 
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I eat eggbeaters. It's the whites only of the eggs, scrambled and sent into space. Returned and then packaged.
 
It's like eggs, a little lighter and not as much yolk. But there is no fat, almost no carbs and all protein with a little bit of calories.
 
A lot more healthier then whole eggs and with some salt, taste just like them.
 
I buy several boxes when they are on sale, they last for months.
 
Downside: expensive. $5 for about 18 eggs worth.
Most of my food budget goes to them and yogurt.
 

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