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You misunderstood my intended message by such a wide margin I don't even know where to start. To address your accusations, which I bolded:
"I find tygon_ridge's expectations a little unrealistic and a tad condescending."
I specifically said that I do not mind any posted impressions of any products on these boards. I said that these are no my standards, but rather, anyone would understand that when people go into these forums looking for clues as to which very expensive audio purchase to make next, they'd naturally give more weight to the opinions that are more descriptive. That doesn't mean that the less descriptive opinions don't deserve to have their place on these forums, nor that the people who post them are somehow doing a disservice to others.
"stringent standards"
I said before, but since you somehow missed it, I'll repeat: I have no problem with anything you post about the UM3X or whatnot. All I did was ask you to specify some specific differences that you heard. Now, being the incredibly wise and mature person that you seem to be, you somehow reacted by giving, in your own words, a "stern lecture." Now, who's "condescending?"
"his critiques about how people choose to express themselves in their posts to himself"
My critiques? All I said was that the less descriptive posts are cool and all, but that the more descriptive posts are even better. Mind explaining why you think this is a critique?
Please be advised: Although I do not intend to create distractions and arguments in this thread, I will not sit still while you slander me with baseless accusations. I believe my messages were very clear, and quite frankly, common sense. I do not see them as critiques of how anyone posts their opinions. I only described their relative values. I never said that your statements about the UM3X bear no value, but you yourself must admit: if you were a head-fier wandering the threads looking for information about these IEMs, you probably give much more consideration to opinions that are built upon solid concrete observations. Concrete descriptions is where we head-fiers get the most value. I've read some great posts, many of which even have determined where I'm leaning towards in my future purchase decisions. The lesser-detailed posts like your own, also intrigue me at best; and intrigued me they did, which was why I wanted to know more, which was why I asked you for a simple comparison that shouldn't take more than 2 minutes of your time - imagine my surprise when my request for your further (respected) opinions was met with something like "haven't you already read enough? go get yourself some iem's already."
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tigon_ridge,
I'm not going to derail this thread any further by addressing all of the points that you make in your defence. Suffice to say, I have not misunderstood you but I do challenge your real motivation for posting here, and in the other forum threads.
This thread is 173 pages long and I have read it in its entirety. It is full of the kind of "concrete" descriptions that you prefer. You have visited here many times before and have been actively involved in discussions about the sound characteristics of the UM3X. Just as you have done in the ES3X, JH13/PRO and the IE8 threads over several months.
You claim that you are researching prior to making an informed decision over which IEM you will eventually choose to buy. You have asked numerous questions about each of these IEMs, which Head-Fiers have been generous in responding to. You have also been engaged in discussions where you have offered opinions, and made statements about the characteristics of these IEMs based on the experiences of others, rather than your own.
I'm sorry but I find it incredible that you do not have sufficient information to make an informed decision about the IEM that you are interested in purchasing by now. As detailed or vague, useful or otherwise, that the hundreds of descriptions of the sound signatures of these IEMs might be in these threads that you frequent, they are all subjective and should only be treated as a guide. Other Head-Fiers listening experiences are no substitute for your own.
Earlier soozieq said that she had found the descriptions of the UM3X's sound signature contained in this thread to be reasonably accurate, but these did not prepare her for the disappointment that she felt once she experienced them for herself. My own experience appears to be similar to hers and Mark's. Yet we are clearly in the minority in this thread.
There's nothing wrong with visiting and posting in these threads tigon_ridge. It's obvious to me that you enjoy generating discourse about IEMs and that's fine up to a point. But you remind me of an armchair traveller whom experiences destinations vicariously without ever really knowing what it's like to go there. I am sceptical that you continue to post here because of your need for further information.
If you ever do jump off the fence and start to post your own "detailed" first-hand impressions of your very first IEM, I for one will be most interested in reading them. Until then, my inclination is to be dismissive of your seemingly endless questions because attempting to answer them feels like a waste of time and effort.
