[twylight]

I dont disagree about the seal thing, but frankly its annoying to go thru 30-40 buds trying to get a seal.  I am custom fit only from here on out.  I would love to try the coppers with a custom tip on them.   (the hole is to big to smush the um56 on it)
 
I highly highly highly recommend not screwing with universal buds anymore and get a pair of custom tips made or just going with customs.

 

[Coasterjeffry]

I had the same problem with tips/seal on my coppers.  Out of desperation I got 1964 Ears custom tips for them and couldn't possibly be more happy.  I highly recommend them.  I hope to do a proper write up about them soon...

 

[Kunlun]

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I dont disagree about the seal thing, but frankly its annoying to go thru 30-40 buds trying to get a seal.  I am custom fit only from here on out.  I would love to try the coppers with a custom tip on them.   (the hole is to big to smush the um56 on it)
 
I highly highly highly recommend not screwing with universal buds anymore and get a pair of custom tips made or just going with customs.

Totally agree.
 
 

 

[lucozade]

 
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i have both (w4 and top of the line monster coppers)
 
When I can rarely get a good seal with the coppers, they have huge bass and lacking everything in the middle and upper reaches
 
The W4 I always get a perfect seal due to um56 custom buds...and they just stomp my coppers.  If I really need a little more bass  i can EQ up +2db or...its already good but not as face shaking as the monster.
 
I do think i would enjoy the monster's more with a custom mold that i do with the supplied bag of useless generic tips.
 
Honestly i would get a custom molded JH-5 at the current prices and be happy - at the time i bought W4 and had um56 from um3x it made sense, but now I would just pony up for customs and be done.
 
Im hoping I can return the coppers still  - if not ill just sell them here and never touch them again.  I do think I would like a custom fit dynamic IEM...im surfing those threads myself.

I agree with my buddy Kunlun , with the right seal the coppers are a well balanced earphone with plenty of midrange and treble presence and detail however they do sound somewhat artificial in the midrange .
I agree with you @twylight however that the coppers are not in the same league as the w4 which is technically superior in almost every way and much more realistic and natural sounding.

 
 

 

[Audiophile1811]

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I had the same problem with tips/seal on my coppers.  Out of desperation I got 1964 Ears custom tips for them and couldn't possibly be more happy.  I highly recommend them.  I hope to do a proper write up about them soon...

 
What are the advantages of using the 1964 Custom Tips over Monster's foam and gel filled Super-Tips? I can only get two tips to work for me and they work great but if Custom tips work that much better I might give them a try in the future. I'd really love to hear your impressions. 
 

 

[Coasterjeffry]

I'll do a proper write up with pics soon, but the quick story is this...

I've been using Etymotic foam tips and Shure olives on my ER4 for ears. I love the deep insertion and all the sonic and comfort benefits that come with that setup.

I was shocked when I the coppers how I couldn't find a tip I was happy with....I even tried comply tips. I hated the more shallow insertion and how **** finicky the seal would be. I just wanted to go back to my Er4.

For me the custom tips provided a perfect fit and seal while being ultra comfortable. The highs are lessened a tiny bit with them (not as much as comply foam tips). But, I added a tiny bit of eq to negate that.

I love them so much I got custom tips for my Er4 then proceeded to order a pair of 1964-quads.

 

[NonApplicable]

I get a great seal with my coppers every time. I recommend the Sony hybrid tips, they are a favorite of this form. Unfortunately you must buy all four sizes(in a pack) and it retails for $9.99. If your desperate, I would try those.

 

[twylight]

I have a set of complys and sony tips.  They all suck.  Custom tips or customs.
 
They all suck horribly actually.  I am having flash backs of my first shure and westone universals and the BAGS of tips I messed around with before getting um56.

 

[NonApplicable]

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I have a set of complys and sony tips.  They all suck.  Custom tips or customs.
 
They all suck horribly actually.  I am having flash backs of my first shure and westone universals and the BAGS of tips I messed around with before getting um56.

Heh, I have never tried customs myself(if I did I probably would have started this thread, lol), but I bet I would think the same thing if I did.