Watts Up...?

[Rob Watts]

Yes as it's out of band noise from the data itself! It's particularly a problem with 96k and above recordings, as the ADC noise increases due to the ADC noise shaper.

 

[ZappaMan]

Yes as it's out of band noise from the data itself! It's particularly a problem with 96k and above recordings, as the ADC noise increases due to the ADC noise shaper.

See when you talk about use of the high sampling frequency filter, do this apply then to the output from mscaler ? Or is it applying to the sample rate of the original source material ?

 

[Rob Watts]

The M scaler will preserve the HF noise on the recording - the M scaler is flat to within a few Hz at FS/2 as per an ideal sinc function filter - that's why the HF filter is needed in the DAC to remove this noise. My HF filters are always done at 16FS or 705/768 kHz as a minimum, then further filters to remove noise right up to 2048FS from 16FS.

 

[alota]

@Rob Watts Hi Mr. Watts, i have a question, if possible. I state that i have no great financial resources but since I listened chord it has been love at first sight. i started with mojo, after hugo and now i have hugo tt. i really love hugo tt that drives my ultrasone edition 5 very well.with a view to future improvement, in your opinion what would be the best solution?
i sell hugo tt and i ´ll buy hugo tt2 or i keep the hugo tt and i´ll buy the m scaler?
in case of second solution, hugo tt and mscaler work with one bnc cables or two to one bnc cable?
i thank you in advance for your possible answer

 

[Rob Watts]

Unfortunately, I have not heard the M Scaler on a Hugo TT, so I can't really comment. But yes TT with an M Scaler would need one BNC cable as TT is 384k max.

My advice is to try TT2 and the M Scaler and make up your mind based on which solution gives you the most musical pleasure.

 

[alota]

Unfortunately, I have not heard the M Scaler on a Hugo TT, so I can't really comment. But yes TT with an M Scaler would need one BNC cable as TT is 384k max.

My advice is to try TT2 and the M Scaler and make up your mind based on which solution gives you the most musical pleasure.

thank you for your answer. i´ll try to listen but honestly tt2 and mscaler is too much for my wallet

 

[HughF]

thank you for your answer. i´ll try to listen but honestly tt2 and mscaler is too much for my wallet

I used HMS and TT together for some months and loved the sound, it made me want much longer listening sessions rather than just the somewhat sterile approach of cherry-picking tracks from the NAS to see how they sounded.

If you will definitely buy only one box, I'd buy the HMS. I only went to TT 2 to use the full capability of the HMS and to get a numerical display of volume level not just colours plus the excuse of avoiding any further drop in the p/x value of the TT. At least you only need one BNC cable for the TT - if you are going for Tellurium Q or WAVE cables that's a real saving.
HTH,
Hugh

 

[alota]

I used HMS and TT together for some months and loved the sound, it made me want much longer listening sessions rather than just the somewhat sterile approach of cherry-picking tracks from the NAS to see how they sounded.

If you will definitely buy only one box, I'd buy the HMS. I only went to TT 2 to use the full capability of the HMS and to get a numerical display of volume level not just colours plus the excuse of avoiding any further drop in the p/x value of the TT. At least you only need one BNC cable for the TT - if you are going for Tellurium Q or WAVE cables that's a real saving.
HTH,
Hugh

i appreciate your feedback. so now you have tt2+mscaler, right? my doubt is that having now only an headphone that I love very much, in terms of amplifier, the tt is more than enough(I rarely get to half volume)

 

[HughF]

i appreciate your feedback. so now you have tt2+mscaler, right? my doubt is that having now only an headphone that I love very much, in terms of amplifier, the tt is more than enough(I rarely get to half volume)

Yes, I have HMS and TT 2 now but the original TT is now (to me) the sweet spot in SQ vs. cost for DACs (YMMV but Hugo Mk 1 bored me after my DAC64) if you can get one used or have one already.
I use the volume control on TT 2, driving a pre-power and speakers, no headphones.
Cheers,
Hugh

 

[musickid]

@alota
my opinion it makes no sense to buy mscaler for TT. You spend 3500 on mscaler and never get to use it for what it was truly designed for i.e. 1 million taps 705/768khz into dual bnc chord dac. I would buy TT2 enjoy that and in the future buy mscaler no rush. With TT2 you have the latest and best headphone amp/dac.

 

[Ragnar-BY]

I would buy TT2 enjoy that and in the future buy mscaler no rush. With TT2 you have the latest and best headphone amp/dac.

+1

 

[HughF]

@alota
my opinion it makes no sense to buy mscaler for TT. You spend 3500 on mscaler and never get to use it for what it was truly designed for i.e. 1 million taps 705/768khz into dual bnc chord dac. I would buy TT2 enjoy that and in the future buy mscaler no rush. With TT2 you have the latest and best headphone amp/dac.

Have you heard both pairings, HMS/TT and HMS/TT 2, for a long time in a known system? I have heard both pairings for several months each in my own system. If not, by all means state your opinion... but maybe (MusicKid) in a slightly less dogmatic way? Enjoyment of music is subjective, not purely logical... so comparing figures may not show the whole picture.

OP specifically stated one purchase only is feasible and that the TT drives their current headphones just fine : no one knows for certain what will happen in their future re finances and purchases - let alone now.
Upgrading to HMS with TT in my system gave me much more of an increase in actual listening pleasure than swapping TT for TT 2 (using both with the HMS).

HMS/TT 2 may be the ideal (excluding HMS/DAVE?) but for a single expensive purchase, in my personal experience, TT 2 (vs. TT) is much less important than adding HMS in enjoying music. Putting the HMS into bypass (for me) gives a major loss of enjoyment with either TT DAC.

Cheers,
Hugh

 

[alota]

Have you heard both pairings, HMS/TT and HMS/TT 2, for a long time in a known system? I have heard both pairings for several months each in my own system. If not, by all means state your opinion... but maybe (MusicKid) in a slightly less dogmatic way? Enjoyment of music is subjective, not purely logical... so comparing figures may not show the whole picture.

OP specifically stated one purchase only is feasible and that the TT drives their current headphones just fine : no one knows for certain what will happen in their future re finances and purchases - let alone now.
Upgrading to HMS with TT in my system gave me much more of an increase in actual listening pleasure than swapping TT for TT 2 (using both with the HMS).

HMS/TT 2 may be the ideal (excluding HMS/DAVE?) but for a single expensive purchase, in my personal experience, TT 2 (vs. TT) is much less important than adding HMS in enjoying music. Putting the HMS into bypass (for me) gives a major loss of enjoyment with either TT DAC.

Cheers,
Hugh

right. this is exactly my point and problem. i have no money to try all and i live in a place without stores. of course if in future i win lottery or i´ll have more money, probably i move to a better solution. anyway, thanks again for your opinion

 

[musickid]

I still feel my approach makes more sense but if alota can find a way to listen to each combination even if he has to travel to a dealer that would settle it beyond doubt. I place more importance and emphasis on the dac as the first piece to build a system around. I do understand how other approaches work too however.

 

[alota]

I still feel my approach makes more sense but if alota can find a way to listen to each combination even if he has to travel to a dealer that would settle it beyond doubt. I place more importance and emphasis on the dac as the first piece to build a system around. I do understand how other approaches work too however.

i understand your point of course but for me it is hard, really hard to listen each combination, even one combination