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Victor HA-FW10000: 10th Anniversary model
Jun 16, 2019 at 1:50 AM Post #751 of 1,217
Oh well, that's so sad when Crystal Cable Dream Duet would come with OFC Pentaconn by default since that's more expensive than their 2.5-mm balanced version.

In that case you might have to consider ordering the bulk wires of NPE instead and then pay someone in Australia to terminate them for you, either way wouldn't be factory-terminated so most likely that's no biggie.

And then here's yet another silver option for Z1R as you mentioned before

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=538530084335
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sony-nw-wm1z-wm1a.815841/page-1138#post-13889819

Bulk wires from Hong Kong again and they do ship internationally

https://jimsaudio.com/duelund-products/bulk-wires/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duelund-0-2mm-bulk-silver-wire-sell-at-per-meter-/322688945864
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duelund-DCA-AC0-4-0-4mm-bulk-silver-wire-sell-at-per-meter/222950541975

Not sure if 20AWG were too much for MMCX connectors to handle, this is tinned-copper version for FW10000

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duelund-DC...romotion-price-sell-at-per-meter/323454920712

It's actually more expensive to get the thinner 26AWG version

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Duelund-DC...olid-core-WE-sound-at-per-meter-/222681008086

Some impressions below

https://jeffsplace.positive-feedback.com
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/my-firs...eaker-wire-and-belden-8402-for-interconnects/
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/my-opin...eaker-wire-and-belden-8402-for-interconnects/
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/duelund-dca16ga-part-iii/
https://theaudiobeatnik.com/duelund-dca-tinned-copper-cables-part-4/
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-diyrs-cookbook.781268/page-71#post-13431712


Actually here's the single-ended FW10000 stock cable for 10,000 yen + 800 yen tax, though it's hard to tell when it's gonna be back in stock

https://www.e-earphone.jp/shopdetail/000000239482/
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 2:22 AM Post #752 of 1,217
Hi guys I’m letting go of my pw 1960s 4w (mmcx,4.4mm) and labkable titan AG 3.5mm x 2 to 4.4 female plug converter for Su-ax01 as I’m going for Brise audio yatono 8w and custom made converter.I bought them for my fw1000, good enough in the beginning but brise audio cables just overwhelmed me with the sound that came out of their cables. If anyone’s interested please let me know.
 
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Jun 16, 2019 at 2:34 AM Post #753 of 1,217
OnyX Prime said:
Hi guys I’m letting go of my pw 1960s 4w (mmcx,4.4mm) and labkable titan AG 3.5mm x 2 to 4.4 female plug converter for Su-ax01 as I’m going for Brise audio yatono 8w and custom made converter.I bought them for my fw1000, good enough in the beginning but brise audio cables just overwhelmed me with the sound that came out of their cables. If anyone’s interested please let me know.
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Brise, from Japan ?
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 3:01 AM Post #754 of 1,217
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 3:07 AM Post #755 of 1,217
OnyX Prime said:
Hi guys I’m letting go of my pw 1960s 4w (mmcx,4.4mm) and labkable titan AG 3.5mm x 2 to 4.4 female plug converter for Su-ax01 as I’m going for Brise audio yatono 8w and custom made converter.I bought them for my fw1000, good enough in the beginning but brise audio cables just overwhelmed me with the sound that came out of their cables. If anyone’s interested please let me know.
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How would you describe the differences?
I was looking at Brise cables, but couldn't really find any reviews.
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 4:05 AM Post #757 of 1,217
Yatono 8w (Ya):1960 4w (60)
Ya pro: detail, separation and awesome bass yet very neutral without coloration
Con: ergonomics

Ergonomics: both are chunky, whereas 60 is more flexible but loose and Ya looks thinner and robust. 60 seems heavier

Sound:
Treble: Ya’s treble not as bright more natural, where 60 might sound harsh to me when used with mid high focused iem
Mid: no comment here
Bass: immediate difference I experienced is the quality and quantity of bass. Ya gave more thumping power to fw10000 yet tightly controlled. 60 sounded loose in comparison. If 60 bass is 100 I’d say Ya is at least 120.
Detail/separation: no complain on both here as they are both top notch but I do feel Ya has a better separation and I can feel the grain of each note.
Sound stage: width very similar maybe 60 just slightly ahead, height and depth definitely goes to Ya

In conclusion I like the sound signature and bass presentation that Ya brings to fw10000,
Throughout my 2 hours listening with Ya, I do not feel any fatigue whereas I get frustrated with 60’s sound after 1 hour of listening and have to change back to the stock cable. Now I’m stuck with stock cable even though the soundstage/openness and detail is inferior to 60. Although Ya is a little stiff for OTG listening, it does all the trick I wanted with sound and I can totally live with the minor trade off.
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 4:12 AM Post #758 of 1,217
jmills8 said:
Brise, from Japan ?
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Ya Brise from Japan, like seeteeyou said, best to get their stuff from Japan as D()A sells at a MUCH premium price than the list price in Japan. You get VAT rebate as a foreigner when purchased directly from shops with vat rebate counter too.
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 4:14 AM Post #759 of 1,217
OnyX Prime said:
Yatono 8w (Ya):1960 4w (60)
Ya pro: detail, separation and awesome bass yet very neutral without coloration
Con: ergonomics

Ergonomics: both are chunky, whereas 60 is more flexible but loose and Ya looks thinner and robust. 60 seems heavier

Sound:
Treble: Ya’s treble not as bright more natural, where 60 might sound harsh to me when used with mid high focused iem
Mid: no comment here
Bass: immediate difference I experienced is the quality and quantity of bass. Ya gave more thumping power to fw10000 yet tightly controlled. 60 sounded loose in comparison. If 60 bass is 100 I’d say Ya is at least 120.
Detail/separation: no complain on both here as they are both top notch but I do feel Ya has a better separation and I can feel the grain of each note.
Sound stage: width very similar maybe 60 just slightly ahead, height and depth definitely goes to Ya

In conclusion I like the sound signature and bass presentation that Ya brings to fw10000,
Throughout my 2 hours listening with Ya, I do not feel any fatigue whereas I get frustrated with 60’s sound after 1 hour of listening and have to change back to the stock cable. Now I’m stuck with stock cable even though the soundstage/openness and detail is inferior to 60. Although Ya is a little stiff for OTG listening, it does all the trick I wanted with sound and I can totally live with the minor trade off.
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From everything I read about the 1960 4 wire cable, it seemed like it would be a so-so fit with iems with a upper mids emphasis, it pairs better with darker iems (phantom etc).
The CL2 and FW10000 have so many things in common (from all the impressions), I think the 2 wire 1960 would probably be a better fit.
Anyways, thanks for the breakdown. I would love to get my hands on the Yatono and give it a listen.
 
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Jun 16, 2019 at 4:24 AM Post #760 of 1,217
Kitechaser said:
From everything I read about the 1960 4 wire cable, it seemed like it would be a so-so fit with iems with a upper mids emphasis, it pairs better with darker iems (phantom etc).
The CL2 and FW10000 have so many things in common (from all the impressions), I think the 2 wire 1960 would probably be a better fit.
Anyways, thanks for the breakdown. I would love to get my hands on the Yatono and give it a listen.
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Yes I agree with you. I did try the yatono 8w with my 64N8, and did I mention I am getting 2 but not 1 yatono 8w in both 2pin and MMCX? (I’m day dreaming again) but seriously, I am at last in love with my N8 and I so torn between getting the 2 pin and MMCX...maybe the new Brise audio Asuha a cheaper alt.
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 4:40 AM Post #761 of 1,217
Yatono was originally Izanagi last year when it's still WIP

https://twitter.com/FriggaAudio/status/1029666312505548802
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Some impressions of FW10000 with Yatono 8wire

https://twitter.com/mist_rall/status/1122384023928487936
https://twitter.com/ken___yan/status/1122867419523850241
https://twitter.com/arika2568/status/1123017992332177409
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All of their portable interconnects are single-ended only, not exactly that useful these days?

https://item.rakuten.co.jp/e-earphone/4589796725022/
http://briseaudio.jp/portable/product/minimini/izanagi.html
https://twitter.com/amebix8232/status/1056063505982341120
https://twitter.com/MIYUKI_KAMIZYO/status/1083544269070036992
https://twitter.com/Ryu13_PGT/status/1126127481193320448
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Jun 16, 2019 at 5:02 AM Post #762 of 1,217
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 10:12 AM Post #763 of 1,217
Kitechaser said:
From everything I read about the 1960 4 wire cable, it seemed like it would be a so-so fit with iems with a upper mids emphasis, it pairs better with darker iems (phantom etc).
The CL2 and FW10000 have so many things in common (from all the impressions), I think the 2 wire 1960 would probably be a better fit.
Anyways, thanks for the breakdown. I would love to get my hands on the Yatono and give it a listen.
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Agreed with you based on my listening of the 4-wire and 2-wire 1960s cables. Although I had them in 2-pin so have not been able to try the FW10000 with them. My 2-wire MMCX will be here next week, so I will report back!

And on those Brise photos, wow, those cables look like mini firehoses. I researched Brimar when I was looking for a Japanese cable to go with my Hyla CE-5 and concluded that the ergonomics were not worth the trade off (but also appreciate the benefits of their awesome shielding). Maybe I'll revisit my stance :)

Cheers,

-Collin-
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 11:06 AM Post #764 of 1,217
I thought that stuff like this should be considered pretty extreme

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-astell-kern-ak240.697166/page-42#post_10149607




https://www.instagram.com/p/ji87sugFR6/
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But then again you realize that you haven't really gone off the deep end until you've seen this, the 3.5-mm end of a cable is literally going half-naked but certainly not half-baked. Those wires are so thick to the point where you've gotta get rid of the barrel altogether

https://www.instagram.com/p/jg2DL0gFRu/
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Could triple-run Nano-Platinum Eclipse actually work or what? Plenty of room since we've got 11mm diameter here

https://wireworldaudio.com/carbon-fiber-mini-jack/
Carbon fiber plug, 11mm, for Platinum Eclipse interconnect
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As always there's the $64,000 question, is bigger better when ergonomics aren't the most important factor while we're talking about ToTL IEMs?
 
Jun 16, 2019 at 1:19 PM Post #765 of 1,217
Brise audio is able to do bespoke interconnects with your choice within their current cable may category
 
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