Victor HA-FW10000: 10th Anniversary model
Apr 29, 2019 at 10:34 AM Post #541 of 1,216
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Apr 29, 2019 at 10:37 AM Post #542 of 1,216
For those asking for a comparison, Z1R has more bass. FW10K's only measurement out there seems to imply a rather large bass boost, but in reality the FW10k is very much vented to a large extent. Isolation really isn't that great. Bass levels can even feel anemic at times. FW10K also has a huge uppermidrage spike. I compared them to the RHA CL2. Everyone knows how much uppermids the CL2 have.

In practice, CL2 sounds better than FW10K since FW10K is just harsh next to them. Lower mids on the JVC are thin, brittle and too recessed. Whereas CL2's lower mids don't sound anywhere that bad. Imagine a greater upper midrange presence than CL2 WITH plenty more lower treble. That's what the JVC sounds like.

I don't like the CL2 but CL2 has its strengths with certain types of music. The FW10K? Just sounds terrible no matter what I play with it. And no, this is not a seal or fit issue. I think they just sound flat out terrible.

Z1R has a stronger bass response (which to some borders on way too much bass; it's perfectly fine for me), better balanced midrange with the uppermids taking slight precedence, and a very much present but unobstrusive treble. Z1R extends better on both ends. I personally do feel the Z1R is several leagues ahead and is more versatile. You have to have very specific genre and sound preferences to enjoy the JVC.
Jesus, you must have weird ears and or a weak dap. Everything you wrote I cannot agree to. Im a basshead, more exact would be an Adiophile Basshead and the JVC10000 gave me more than enough bass.
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 10:40 AM Post #543 of 1,216
Jesus, you must have weird ears and or a weak dap. Everything you wrote I cannot agree to. Im a basshead, more exact would be an Adiophile Basshead and the JVC10000 gave me more than enough bass.

Even if bass isn't an issue, I think the uppermidrange and upwards sound way too harsh. Have also paired them with semi-desktop/portable amps. We can agree to disagree. I'm just stating how my preference lies with Z1R. Save yourself the trouble of saying I have "weird ears".
 
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Apr 29, 2019 at 10:49 AM Post #544 of 1,216
For those asking for a comparison, Z1R has more bass. FW10K's only measurement out there seems to imply a rather large bass boost, but in reality the FW10k is very much vented to a large extent. Isolation really isn't that great. Bass levels can even feel anemic at times. FW10K also has a huge uppermidrage spike. I compared them to the RHA CL2. Everyone knows how much uppermids the CL2 have.

In practice, CL2 sounds better than FW10K since FW10K is just harsh next to them. Lower mids on the JVC are thin, brittle and too recessed. Whereas CL2's lower mids don't sound anywhere that bad. Imagine a greater upper midrange presence than CL2 WITH plenty more lower treble. That's what the JVC sounds like.

I don't like the CL2 but CL2 has its strengths with certain types of music. The FW10K? Just sounds terrible no matter what I play with it. And no, this is not a seal or fit issue. I think they just sound flat out terrible.

Z1R has a stronger bass response (which to some borders on way too much bass; it's perfectly fine for me), better balanced midrange with the uppermids taking slight precedence, and a very much present but unobstrusive treble. Z1R extends better on both ends. I personally do feel the Z1R is several leagues ahead and is more versatile. You have to have very specific genre and sound preferences to enjoy the JVC.

"How everyone hearing differently?", "Combination and perception to different plaback system" are always interesting topic for discussuon. I'm glad that we could choose what we like, and they're products for different need of customers.

May I know what dap/amp and the genre u have used to test the FW10000?

Thanks
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 10:59 AM Post #545 of 1,216
"How everyone hearing differently?", "Combination and perception to different plaback system" are always interesting topic for discussuon. I'm glad that we could choose what we like, and they're products for different need of customers.

May I know what dap/amp and the genre u have used to test the FW10000?

Thanks

ifi micro. If that isn't enough, I don't know what is. If people are going to come up with the power argument, I'd argue that you can buy a denon 7200/9200 for a similar (and more balanced) signature since you wont be bringing a "powerful amp" out anyway.
 
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Apr 29, 2019 at 11:03 AM Post #546 of 1,216
The FW10K? Just sounds terrible no matter what I play with it. And no, this is not a seal or fit issue. I think they just sound flat out terrible.
U killed my fire
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:05 AM Post #547 of 1,216
ifi micro. If that isn't enough, I don't know what is. If people are going to come up with the power argument, I'd argue that you can buy a denon 7200/9200 for a similar (and more balanced) signature since you wont be bringing a "powerful amp" out anyway.

I just wanna know which equipment may have a pairing problem with the FW10000. I remembered someone(?) has used ifi micro to pair with FW10000 and he's ok with it, so I think it maybe just subjects to personal or genre preference
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:14 AM Post #548 of 1,216
The FW10000 is seriously underpowered with that single-ended cable—even with high-intensity mode on the SU-AX01. Last night I swapped it with the balanced cable, and the improvement in all areas (including the bass) was something serious. With the single-ended cable they sounded impressive, but smaller and weaker.

Victor/ JVC underplays the importance of that full package on their website, but I believe you have to be willing to buy into that entire system ($$$) if you want to hear them at their best.
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:16 AM Post #549 of 1,216
I just wanna know which equipment may have a pairing problem with the FW10000. I remembered someone(?) has used ifi micro to pair with FW10000 and he's ok with it, so I think it maybe just subjects to personal or genre preference

I listen to rock, metal and jpop. I'm fine with uppermidrange boosts, but not when the overall tone is harsh as well or/and when the lowermids are almost non-existent. I was asked to compare against the sony so I did. Even threw in a CL2 comparison for more points of reference.
 
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Apr 29, 2019 at 11:17 AM Post #550 of 1,216
Have u tried IER-Z1R before u bought it? What do u like about it?
No, blind buy, But i like how they look lol (also nice reviews). They should arrive pretty soon!
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:19 AM Post #551 of 1,216
No, blind buy, But i like how they look lol (also nice reviews). They should arrive pretty soon!

Consider taking a trip down to Japan or Singapore. Perhaps even HK. Worth the time (and money) to personally get to hear things. As people have been saying, everyone hears differently.
 
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Apr 29, 2019 at 11:20 AM Post #552 of 1,216
ifi micro. If that isn't enough, I don't know what is. If people are going to come up with the power argument, I'd argue that you can buy a denon 7200/9200 for a similar (and more balanced) signature since you wont be bringing a "powerful amp" out anyway.
And the music tracks ?
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:22 AM Post #553 of 1,216
Consider taking a trip down to Japan or Singapore. Perhaps even HK. Worth the time (and money) to personally get to hear things. As people have been saying, everyone hears differently.
Yeah i know, but no time, was in HK last week but wasn't even aware of their existence lol. Tried PP8, Custom Art 8.2 and a bunch of high end stuff. Too late now. I think it should be a good buy though. thanks for the advises!
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:26 AM Post #554 of 1,216
I tested the Z1R and FW10K back in Singapore.

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The easiest take away is, both serve different audience/genre. The Z1R is more neutral, balanced sounding one, which works with most genre out there. I'm surprised with the coherence on this, which is out of all hybrid I have ever tried (including Tia Fourte and other hybrid flagship), this is possibly the most coherence hybrid.

FW10K is brighter sounding, but surprisingly soft instead of harsh. This make it sounds so good with classical and instrumental tracks, violin still sounds sweet due to a bit of softness in it. I love what I heard on FW10K, female vocal still sounds good, but male vocal is possibly a bit too thin.

Personally, for my taste, the Z1R is my preferred sounds. I still have to compare with Solaris though (that is also a very coherent hybrid). But FW10K just sounds really good with classical, that I also tempted to own one. :)
 
Apr 29, 2019 at 11:44 AM Post #555 of 1,216
Jesus, you must have weird ears and or a weak dap. Everything you wrote I cannot agree to. Im a basshead, more exact would be an Adiophile Basshead and the JVC10000 gave me more than enough bass.
Yeah it's a DAP issue. A lot of these reviews that complain about the CL2 also have them paired with really weak mid-fi daps.
Both these iems need power to sound right.

Add: I just had a chance to pair the CL2 with the Sony DMP-Z1, and Jesus Christ, It sounded like heaven.
 
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