Ichinichi
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thank you.
ok, all these references are really old, but nonetheless:
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/sennheiser_hd600.htm (the whole article but esp later down in the comparison section)
he feels they're quite even at stock. i've read the whole article. he clearly states that the 600s are not a clear slam-dunk over the stock 580s. not really supportive of the notion that the 600s are a priori better than 580 even at stock!
at http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-161160.html (scroll down to the post by crocodile jd) crocodile jd says "from what I've read, the 580s will be very close to the 600s, they use exactly the same drivers so if you are happy with the 600s, then you will probably be happy with the 580s". again, not really supportive of the notion that the 600s are better than 580s at stock?? he does make mention of how he prefers the sound of the 600s over the 590s...
hmmm, http://stereophile.com/headphones/408/ (sterophile review/comparison of hd580 and hd600) is not as clear. he seems only to communicate that he lauds the new flagship to sennheiser's line. did i miss anything?
http://www.headphone.com/products/he...ser-hd-600.php (description of hd600 from headroom) is interesting because it makes mention of carbon fiber headbands. of course, the 650s came out sometime 2004ish? and the write-up also makes mention of those as well - meaning that the write-up was at least edited in 2004 sometime. now, there was much early speculation that there was carbon fiber on the 600s, but later on, with more and more owners scratching their cans, it was revealed that it was naught more than paint over the same plastic piece used in the 580s. no where do i see any mention of 600s being by their nature better than 580s at stock...
on http://www.onhifi.com/product/sennheiser_hd600.htm (another review of hd600 noting it's build and sound differences from hd580) explicitly states that the "600 is built to a 1dB tolerance as opposed to the 580's 3dB". objectively, i would consider the 600s quantitatively better than the 580s in this respect. however, the article (dated 2001!) makes mention of how headphone amps are necessary and how that's not all to common (not anymore!!) and how their 2dB tolerance difference is only really perceptible on really high end systems! sort of what the stereophile review mentions on page 2 of their review.
finally, http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...ht=hd580+hd600 (extolling the hd600) is a two page thread with two long posts and on "x3" about how the respective posters preferred the stock 600s over the 580mods. however, note that both had cardas cables in their possession, an upgrade that's NOT in beginners' plans. regardless, when further questioned for quantitative features in hopes of teasing out a quantitative superiority of 600s over 580mod, there was no response. all i saw were a large group of people who loved the 580mod over the 600, who said 650 was the next logical step over the 580mod, not the 600.
one thing i did learn though, that i hope even vcoheda can agree with, if for some reason you have a nicely jacked up system and headphones are all you're looking for, plus you've already got $400 cables in hand, then get the 600s, because then, at that point, you'd be doing your system a disservice to not take advantage of the 2dB tolerance difference offered by the 600...but then, why not just get the 650?? even the head-fi thread you posted last attests to the opinion that in terms of a good buy, either stick with 580mod or jump on 650.
i've read every single one of your references and have shared what i've learned from them. hows that for reasonable?
where's your response to this thread, dated much later than the early articles you cite above, at a point in time where the "carbon fiber" myth has been debunked?
or what about this entire thread, dated this month(!), discussing how the 580s are a better buy than the 600s?
let's be reasonable, shall we?
Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif some links with useful information in them for any reasonable minded readers of this unfortunate thread. http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-161160.html (scroll down to the post by crocodile jd) http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/sennheiser_hd600.htm (the whole article but esp later down in the comparison section) http://stereophile.com/headphones/408/ (sterophile review/comparison of hd580 and hd600) http://www.headphone.com/products/he...ser-hd-600.php (description of hd600 from headroom) http://www.onhifi.com/product/sennheiser_hd600.htm (another review of hd600 noting it's build and sound differences from hd580) http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...ht=hd580+hd600 (extolling the hd600) |
thank you.
ok, all these references are really old, but nonetheless:
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/sennheiser_hd600.htm (the whole article but esp later down in the comparison section)
he feels they're quite even at stock. i've read the whole article. he clearly states that the 600s are not a clear slam-dunk over the stock 580s. not really supportive of the notion that the 600s are a priori better than 580 even at stock!
at http://www.avforums.com/forums/archi.../t-161160.html (scroll down to the post by crocodile jd) crocodile jd says "from what I've read, the 580s will be very close to the 600s, they use exactly the same drivers so if you are happy with the 600s, then you will probably be happy with the 580s". again, not really supportive of the notion that the 600s are better than 580s at stock?? he does make mention of how he prefers the sound of the 600s over the 590s...
hmmm, http://stereophile.com/headphones/408/ (sterophile review/comparison of hd580 and hd600) is not as clear. he seems only to communicate that he lauds the new flagship to sennheiser's line. did i miss anything?
http://www.headphone.com/products/he...ser-hd-600.php (description of hd600 from headroom) is interesting because it makes mention of carbon fiber headbands. of course, the 650s came out sometime 2004ish? and the write-up also makes mention of those as well - meaning that the write-up was at least edited in 2004 sometime. now, there was much early speculation that there was carbon fiber on the 600s, but later on, with more and more owners scratching their cans, it was revealed that it was naught more than paint over the same plastic piece used in the 580s. no where do i see any mention of 600s being by their nature better than 580s at stock...
on http://www.onhifi.com/product/sennheiser_hd600.htm (another review of hd600 noting it's build and sound differences from hd580) explicitly states that the "600 is built to a 1dB tolerance as opposed to the 580's 3dB". objectively, i would consider the 600s quantitatively better than the 580s in this respect. however, the article (dated 2001!) makes mention of how headphone amps are necessary and how that's not all to common (not anymore!!) and how their 2dB tolerance difference is only really perceptible on really high end systems! sort of what the stereophile review mentions on page 2 of their review.
finally, http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...ht=hd580+hd600 (extolling the hd600) is a two page thread with two long posts and on "x3" about how the respective posters preferred the stock 600s over the 580mods. however, note that both had cardas cables in their possession, an upgrade that's NOT in beginners' plans. regardless, when further questioned for quantitative features in hopes of teasing out a quantitative superiority of 600s over 580mod, there was no response. all i saw were a large group of people who loved the 580mod over the 600, who said 650 was the next logical step over the 580mod, not the 600.
one thing i did learn though, that i hope even vcoheda can agree with, if for some reason you have a nicely jacked up system and headphones are all you're looking for, plus you've already got $400 cables in hand, then get the 600s, because then, at that point, you'd be doing your system a disservice to not take advantage of the 2dB tolerance difference offered by the 600...but then, why not just get the 650?? even the head-fi thread you posted last attests to the opinion that in terms of a good buy, either stick with 580mod or jump on 650.
i've read every single one of your references and have shared what i've learned from them. hows that for reasonable?
where's your response to this thread, dated much later than the early articles you cite above, at a point in time where the "carbon fiber" myth has been debunked?
or what about this entire thread, dated this month(!), discussing how the 580s are a better buy than the 600s?
let's be reasonable, shall we?