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Originally Posted by jinp6301 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Why dont you open YOUR mind and let the guy have his own opinion. If he feels the 600s are a better buy, then HE CANNOT BE WRONG. It is an opinion, there is no such thing as a WRONG opinion. If he feels that a 600 is a smarter purchase, who are you to tell him that he's wrong? And if he can tell the difference between closely matched drivers and not closely matched drivers, and he feels that its worth the money, then how is he wrong? I'm allowed to think that the Bose Triports are the best sounding headphone and none of you can tell me that I'm wrong because you dont have my ears.
I get that vcoheda might have gotten his facts messed up but thats no reason to jump all over him like the way you did. and you probably know, some like the carbon-fiber look of the 600s. I know I do
and opinions of highly regarded head-fiers is not fact. Even Sovkiller's (whom you quoted) sig says so . Bringing in fact based arguments (like the no carbon fiber) helps your case but something like SQ between closely matched drivers cannot be thought of as fact, no matter who said it.
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oh settle down! you've not even read the debate in its entirety and you're already so emotionally engaged! i'll say it one more time, slowly.
his original statement was a quantitative statement and he invoked what are quantitative claims to support his quantitative position (see his initial post in this thread even):
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Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif
this is not accurate. the hd600 is a better headphone than the hd580. anyone who knows the history of the hd580-Jubilee-hd600 would know this. there are reasons why it is a better headphone. it is not speculation...
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see? quantitative, measurable, verifiable. you are arguing for his right to a qualitative opinion, which i do not challenge in the slightest.
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i do not agree. i feel that in certain respects, the hd600 may be a better headphone than the hd580. there are reasons why i would consider it to be a better headphone...
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now, jinp, a
qualitative claim is not the same as a
quantitative claim. qualitative claims are
subjective whereas quantitative claims are built on
factual and verifiable evidence. these are very important terms to understand before you go rushing to defend vcoheda's freedom of expressing his qualitative opinions. and nobody is jumping on his post, there is history behind it. read slowly and if you still feel that i have qualitatively infringed on vcoheda's right to a subjective opinion, then you are entitled to that opinion. here's the brief:
i initially started a thread as a resource for those interested in modding their 580s. he comes in and says the clearly smarter thing to do is buy the 600 outright. this is a quantitative statement just like his first in this thread. in reply i mentioned that there are many people who are interested in modding 580 and feel it is worthwhile, which is a quantifiable statement in that it can be measured (either there are people who have publicly preferred the 580mod sound over 600 sound, or there aren't).
that's when he called me out with: "really. i'd like to see some of these posts". so i gave them to him, very many. and instead of providing citations of his own or admitting that there were many threads that he has not read on the subject, he just comes out with the same absolute assertion that modding 580s is not worthwhile, citing quantitative reasons. for each of these i found multiple sources that say otherwise! and he has yet to offer any type of link or resource in support of his position, hence "stubborn and questionable" from before.
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Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif
i still disagree and there are plenty of posts/websites that support my position.
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"really. i would like to see some of these posts."
those words sound familiar? they're your own. sound challenging, don't they? so let's see it! you've been all talk so far, where are the references! where are they?
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Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif
but talking to you is not worth it, as your posts take an unreasonable tone. you cite one post and then take that as an absolute.
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the tone has been one of reason; for every claim you've made i've found at least one reference that says otherwise. you call me out and i've met your challenge: i've cited
three different threads and
multiple posts in support of the position that 580modding is worthwhile. since you're so committed to providing such a comprehensive case for how the 600 is clearly a better headphone, where are the posts supporting your position? and without animosity, i really do want to read them because i've not seen a single post in support of your claim in all my searching on head-fi when i was deciding on which of 580 or 600 to purchase myself.
