FallenAngel
Headphoneus Supremus
No, not at all. It's just that I'm OK with HD650 on a nice amp and really love them on a great amp. With the Pro750, I'm OK with them no matter whether it's an OK amp or the best amp in the world, still just OK.
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ok, here is my first impression of the Ultrasone 750 pro as compared to my Senn 650 newer model (stock cable) with a WA6 stock + Sophia rectifier. I've been listening exclusively to the Senns for about a month so they aren't all that burned in yet. The 750s are just out of the box. I was preparing myself for "harshness" with the 750s based on what I've read around here. Definitely not present. I hate to say it but the Senn 650s are harsh to me by comparison. That is, the Senns are hitting my ears at a frequency that causes me to perceive the music as more "grating" as compared to the Ultrasones at a similar volume level. This doesn't mean that I think the Senns are grating but what I am so far finding is that what I might call upper mids are too sharp for me to get the rest of the sound to the volume I would like in the mix. The bass of the Ultrasones goes amazingly deep. At this point it sounds like the focus of the bass is in the lower frequencies rather than in the mid bass. This might go away after break in. To put it another way, the Senns seem to have more mid bass prominence in its mix than the lower frequencies. I think you can contribute a lot of this to the open / closed differences of the cans. When I talk out loud with the 750s on I can hear low frequencies distinctly emphasized but not so with the Senns. Here is a very dumbed down idea about the differences I am perceiving: With the Senns I want to turn them up to get more bass and punch but the mids prevent me from getting there without grating on my ears. With the 750s I want to turn them up to get more mids / vocals / guitars but the bass would maybe be the limiting factor on my ears. But to my ears this is the preferable problem to have. I do like my bass. Take away: These phones (the 750s) are not harsh. That is, unless my ears are sensitive to different frequencies than yours. Mine are sensitive to peaky mids / upper mids, and not typically to things like hi-hats or other cymbals. I think genre preference will have a lot to do with someone's preference between these phones but they are so different that I don't think I will want to sell either one. Of course I've only had the 750s for about an hour. I understand they need 250 hours to burn in properly. |
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ok, here is my first impression of the Ultrasone 750 pro as compared to my Senn 650 newer model (stock cable) with a WA6 stock + Sophia rectifier. I've been listening exclusively to the Senns for about a month so they aren't all that burned in yet. The 750s are just out of the box. I was preparing myself for "harshness" with the 750s based on what I've read around here. Definitely not present. I hate to say it but the Senn 650s are harsh to me by comparison. That is, the Senns are hitting my ears at a frequency that causes me to perceive the music as more "grating" as compared to the Ultrasones at a similar volume level. This doesn't mean that I think the Senns are grating but what I am so far finding is that what I might call upper mids are too sharp for me to get the rest of the sound to the volume I would like in the mix. The bass of the Ultrasones goes amazingly deep. At this point it sounds like the focus of the bass is in the lower frequencies rather than in the mid bass. This might go away after break in. To put it another way, the Senns seem to have more mid bass prominence in its mix than the lower frequencies. I think you can contribute a lot of this to the open / closed differences of the cans. When I talk out loud with the 750s on I can hear low frequencies distinctly emphasized but not so with the Senns. Here is a very dumbed down idea about the differences I am perceiving: With the Senns I want to turn them up to get more bass and punch but the mids prevent me from getting there without grating on my ears. With the 750s I want to turn them up to get more mids / vocals / guitars but the bass would maybe be the limiting factor on my ears. But to my ears this is the preferable problem to have. I do like my bass. Take away: These phones (the 750s) are not harsh. That is, unless my ears are sensitive to different frequencies than yours. Mine are sensitive to peaky mids / upper mids, and not typically to things like hi-hats or other cymbals. I think genre preference will have a lot to do with someone's preference between these phones but they are so different that I don't think I will want to sell either one. Of course I've only had the 750s for about an hour. I understand they need 250 hours to burn in properly. |
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The 750 pros are absolute bass phenoms. I don't want to make a judgment on quality yet but quantity is there in spades. If it were to tighten up a tad I wouldn't complain. But if you love punchy, full bottom bass these are phones to consider. These are definite toe tappers compared to the Senn 650s, at least to me. |
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ok, here is my first impression of the Ultrasone 750 pro as compared to my Senn 650 newer model (stock cable) with a WA6 stock + Sophia rectifier. I've been listening exclusively to the Senns for about a month so they aren't all that burned in yet. The 750s are just out of the box. I was preparing myself for "harshness" with the 750s based on what I've read around here. Definitely not present. I hate to say it but the Senn 650s are harsh to me by comparison. That is, the Senns are hitting my ears at a frequency that causes me to perceive the music as more "grating" as compared to the Ultrasones at a similar volume level. This doesn't mean that I think the Senns are grating but what I am so far finding is that what I might call upper mids are too sharp for me to get the rest of the sound to the volume I would like in the mix. The bass of the Ultrasones goes amazingly deep. At this point it sounds like the focus of the bass is in the lower frequencies rather than in the mid bass. This might go away after break in. To put it another way, the Senns seem to have more mid bass prominence in its mix than the lower frequencies. I think you can contribute a lot of this to the open / closed differences of the cans. When I talk out loud with the 750s on I can hear low frequencies distinctly emphasized but not so with the Senns. Here is a very dumbed down idea about the differences I am perceiving: With the Senns I want to turn them up to get more bass and punch but the mids prevent me from getting there without grating on my ears. With the 750s I want to turn them up to get more mids / vocals / guitars but the bass would maybe be the limiting factor on my ears. But to my ears this is the preferable problem to have. I do like my bass. Take away: These phones (the 750s) are not harsh. That is, unless my ears are sensitive to different frequencies than yours. Mine are sensitive to peaky mids / upper mids, and not typically to things like hi-hats or other cymbals. I think genre preference will have a lot to do with someone's preference between these phones but they are so different that I don't think I will want to sell either one. Of course I've only had the 750s for about an hour. I understand they need 250 hours to burn in properly. |
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The 750 pros are absolute bass phenoms. I don't want to make a judgment on quality yet but quantity is there in spades. If it were to tighten up a tad I wouldn't complain. But if you love punchy, full bottom bass these are phones to consider. These are definite toe tappers compared to the Senn 650s, at least to me. |
Originally Posted by Peter Pinna /img/forum/go_quote.gif airstream66: I thought you might be interested in reading the following: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f4/ult...-diary-388451/ |
Originally Posted by airstream66 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Peter, I read a good portion of your post. All I can say is that I immediately wondered what everyone was talking about with the long burn-in process on my 750 Pros. I was not hearing anything like harshness even from right out of the box. I did get what you were talking about when you said it sounded like they were timid and hiding. To me this is not what I expected. I was thinking these things would have brash highs that would need to be beaten into submission. I can't follow you yet on all the S-Logic stuff because the Senn 650s kill the 750 Pros in terms of soundstage... at least to me so far, on my setup (WooAudio 6 + Sophia rectifier). The Senns are just more refined and they are, after all, open cans. But those weren't the reasons I bought the 750 pro. They are just going to be way better on some pieces of music than the Senns. I don't think that will change. I mean I love listening to music with the 750s that I sort of even hate. That is a good, fun headphone that can do that to me. |