Tutorial: Increase the "Treble Energy and Detail" of the Shure SE530's! [Pics Included]-[MAIN POST UPDATED 5/04/09]

[Rip N' Burn]

There's a difference between 'distortion free'(post #264) and 'very little distortion'(post #269). Are you making this up as you go along?

 

[Bonthouse]

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Originally Posted by CompressionalFlagellation /img/forum/go_quote.gif So basically, that huge dip @ 12k is there because of the drivers -- and nothing, aside from a driver mod, will change that.

Nope, that's because of the filter. Take it out and you will hear all the treble you can muster.

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Originally Posted by gjg /img/forum/go_quote.gif why are there no BA speakers? It's perfectly obvious. gg

LOL seriously? These things are meant to be tiny! The dynamic drivers you see nowadays are a further development and miniaturization of that technology.

 

[pdupiano]

This thread makes me ashamed to be an SE530 owner... .. .

 

[Punnisher]

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Originally Posted by Bonthouse /img/forum/go_quote.gif Nope, that's because of the filter. Take it out and you will hear all the treble you can muster.

Yep. BA are very bright with no filters. I imagine filters somewhat control movement inside the BA as well as dampen the sound in order to create a more pleasing signature.

 

[Arjisme]

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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn /img/forum/go_quote.gif When you use a multi-driver system, you need cross-over filters and therefore you will have phase distortion. Do your homework next time you attempt to make an educated comment.

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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn /img/forum/go_quote.gif What would be the true advantage of using 3 drivers that the SE530's use?

Your arguments are not SE530-specific, in case that isn't obvious to anyone reading here. There are other BA IEMs out there, including the highly regarded W3s and the UM3Xs. You are trying to make a case that the single dynamic driver of the IE8 is superior to multi-driver BA offerings. Okay, but your gonna get lots of push back on that.

 

[younglee200]

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Originally Posted by pdupiano /img/forum/go_quote.gif This thread makes me ashamed to be an SE530 owner... .. .

x2

I'm pretty sure that the kid is now on a mission to piss off other members. I haven't yet read the terms of agreement of this forum but I personally think that someone with an intention like that should just be banned.

 

[Rip N' Burn]

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Originally Posted by Arjisme /img/forum/go_quote.gif Your arguments are not SE530-specific, in case that isn't obvious to anyone reading here. There are other BA IEMs out there, including the highly regarded W3s and the UM3Xs. You are trying to make a case that the single dynamic driver of the IE8 is superior to multi-driver BA offerings. Okay, but your gonna get lots of push back on that.

My argument applies to single BA and single Dynamic drivers on how they produce no phase distortion as opposed to multi drivers. Nothing to do with which iem is superior. I thought it was obvious, but then again....

 

[VoLTaG3]

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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn /img/forum/go_quote.gif My argument applies to single BA and single Dynamic drivers on how they produce no phase distortion as opposed to multi drivers. Nothing to do with which iem is superior. I thought it was obvious, but then again....

The crossover network causes the faults of multiple drivers not the drivers themselves.

"The team is only as good as it's weakest player"

That analogy applies to multiple drivers and crossovers.

 

[Rip N' Burn]

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Originally Posted by VoLTaG3 /img/forum/go_quote.gif The crossover network causes the faults of multiple drivers not the drivers themselves. "The team is only as good as it's weakest player" That analogy applies to multiple drivers and crossovers.

Let me get this straight, a one driver iem (lets say the SE310 for arguments sake) cannot have any faults due to a non-existent crossover network? Would driver failure be considered a fault? I have heard of drivers failing even in a single driver iem.

It's the combination of multiple drivers and crossovers that cause phase distortion.

"It takes two to tango"

That analogy applies to multiple drivers and crossovers

 

[VoLTaG3]

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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn /img/forum/go_quote.gif Let me get this straight, a one driver iem (lets say the SE310 for arguments sake) cannot have any faults due to a non-existent crossover network? Would driver failure be considered a fault? I have heard of drivers failing even in a single driver iem. It's the combination of multiple drivers and crossovers that cause phase distortion. "It takes two to tango" That analogy applies to multiple drivers and crossovers

The reason there is phase distortion is because of the faults in the crossover network. It's like how the power of the engine is distributed to all 4 tires in a AWD car. All 4 tires can spin at the same speed and stop all at the same time but they won't be able to that due to the axels and transmission lag. If a crossover network was ever created where there was virtually no signal lag to each speaker than phase distortion will be a thing of the pass unless one of the drivers are at fault.

 

[gilency]

This is the most entertaining thread I have ever seen.
Does Voltage# really exist?

I find it really hard to believe he exists in real life.
On the other hand, if he is real, dont bother trying to make him understand reason because you would be doing this------->>

 

[Arjisme]

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Originally Posted by Rip N' Burn /img/forum/go_quote.gif My argument applies to single BA and single Dynamic drivers on how they produce no phase distortion as opposed to multi drivers. Nothing to do with which iem is superior. I thought it was obvious, but then again....

Yes, I understood that the first time. The implication of your argument was that the phase distortion will be audible, that it won't be a good thing and that, therefore, it is a reason to prefer a single driver over a multiple driver solution. My original comment still stands, given the context of the discussion: lot's of folks here have heard the current top-end IEMs that use either technology and there are plenty who would challenge any assertion that the multi-drivers have a problem with phase distortion.

@gilency: funny you should bring up the reality of his existence! That crossed my mind today too. I think there's a decent chance that someone is just yanking everyone's chain here by assuming a persona that is so one-dimensional fanboy just for laughs.

 

[VoLTaG3]

I hope I'm not the only one experiencing this complete night and day difference here. I just went back olives and listened to a few songs.....first thing that popped in my mind was..."Where is the treble?". The sound was smooth but with a muted treble. So I thought to myself...."That's the Shure signature I guess". I don't see how people even gave the Shure SE530's a chance with it's default sound signature. It sounds so dull but very smooth.

Went back to my mod and....."Are these the Shure SE530's?".......the music was alive and kicking again. My mod is complete improvement over the stock Shure SE530's. I'm sooo happy!!!

 

[jleewach]

I'm fairly convinced many companies (ala Shure & UE) insist on sticking w/ the arm technology because they can tout their top tier products as having "multiple drivers" in each earpiece, and the everyday listener becomes impressed & therefore more willingly gives up his hundreds & hundreds of dollars for the iem, all the while not realizing that a finely tuned dynamic driver can create just as much clarity as a whole range of arm's, while at the same time provide better cohesiveness & a more natural sound. It's almost a marketing strategy that high quality iem's MUST have multiple balanced armatures to sound good, when it's simply not the case. Balanced armatures were designed for hearing aids. Dynamic drivers were designed for music. Which seems more suitable?

@ Voltage... good to see you back brother! I'm delighted to hear your explanation as to how the SE530's will soon be able to cure cancer.

 

[VoLTaG3]

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Originally Posted by jleewach /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm fairly convinced many companies (ala Shure & UE) insist on sticking w/ the arm technology because they can tout their top tier products as having "multiple drivers" in each earpiece, and the everyday listener becomes impressed & therefore more willingly gives up his hundreds & hundreds of dollars for the iem, all the while not realizing that a finely tuned dynamic driver can create just as much clarity as a whole range of arm's, while at the same time provide better cohesiveness & a more natural sound. It's almost a marketing strategy that high quality iem's MUST have multiple balanced armatures to sound good, when it's simply not the case. Balanced armatures were designed for hearing aids. Dynamic drivers were designed for music. Which seems more suitable? @ Voltage... good to see you back brother! I'm delighted to hear your explanation as to how the SE530's will soon be able to cure cancer.

It doesn't matter what they were designed for. They both produce audio. Also wouldn't you think something that is suppose to pick up sound from around you and boost it so the damaged eardrum can pick it up easier be better for music since it has to be more detailed? Both of these type of transducers were designed to reproduce audio. Music just happens to be a type of audio.