TRINITY - PHANTOM Series - New thread + WORLDS FIRST PUSH PULL HYBRID IEM!*

[ezekiel77]

Master 6 has my upmost interest. 4.2 config like a Lear flagship sometime ago!

 

[kimD]

Master 6 has my upmost interest. 4.2 config like a Lear flagship sometime ago!

Wow welcome bro..
We waiting for your reviews in future as well

 

[Brooko]

Sabre and Master 6 Update (Brooko Perspective)

 
First of all I'm really sorry these aren't actually reviews. There is a reason for it – basically both I have are prototypes, and as with all prototypes, they are hand made, have been pushed, prodded, tweaked, tuned, soldered and re-soldered – until Bob had something he was happy with as a final signature.
 
So the version I get to try is a little rough and ready, but the important thing is that the sonic signatures are close to final. So I was working with the Sabre for 2 of the last 3 days, and had a lot written – but wasn't quite at the comparison stage. Then two days ago, I noticed one of the ear pieces suddenly change. The vocals shifted dramatically and there was less bass. So I put them on the rig again – and one of the drivers was gone. Bob says it is probably internal wiring – so at this stage I can't finish. And as I'd much rather give a complete review of the finished product, I thought I'd give some of you a little insight into what you can expect – but will save the actual review for when I can complete it properly (with the final retail version).
 
So then the Master 6 arrived a little over a day ago. Started listening the day they arrived, felt something was off (but was very tired) so I left them until the next day. Rechecked – and yes – similar to Sabre one driver was gone. Before anyone reads anything into this – it is just one of those things, I've had blown drivers on other Manufacturers final products before – and prototypes are much riskier – so this is in no way indicative of what you can expect with your end product. It will be assembled completely with no stress on the internal – so rest easy.
 
So what can I give you? Lets just run though a bit on build – I'll give you some photos and we can look at couple of graphs.

TRINITY SABRE

Also read my previous posts here and here.
 
What is known at the moment:

1. Currently on promo at ~$110 – normally ~$185
2. Aluminium CNC shells
3. Dual dynamic drivers on a push pull config
4. Impedance is 16 ohms, and has a sensitivity of 108 +/- 3 dB
5. Frequency response is 20 – 20000 Hz
6. 2 pin detachable cables – with proprietary connection system. 3 cables included in the package – a standard Trinity multi-braid, a memory wire multi-braid, and a fabric cable with mic/remote/volume control.
   (For pics of the standard cable and connectors – see my Delta V2 review)
7. 5 pairs of tuning filters in two different lengths (10 filters in total). 5 long and 5 standard.
8. Comes with usual assortment of tips and Trinity case (as well as right angle connector etc)
9. This time will come with Spinfits

 
Physical measurements
The Sabres are circular, 15mm in diameter, with a depth of 10mm, and the standard nozzles/filters have an exposed length of 5mm. They extend on an angle of about 45 degrees forward or upward (depending on the position of the cable).
 

Sabre with Sony Isolation tips​	Connector - but actual will be more like Delta connector​

 
Fit
Really good – comfortable to wear. Nozzle depth is a bit shallow – so I'm looking forward to trying the final longer filters. The prototype longer ones seemed to work quite well. Can lie on my side no problem with them intact. You'll need to play around with tips. They actually don't go that well with Bob's included foams – once the tips heat up the slip of the nozzles – and same with the dual flange (comes off too easy). Bob's single flanges are really good, and you'll get Spinfits this time as well.
 

Sabre connector and filter​	Sabre front face and filter socket​

 
Filters
I haven't had a chance to try out the actual longer filters (just prototypes), but they are 2-3mm longer and this does make a lot of difference with fit for me (easier to get a seal). I've been using the short filters with the Sabre, and Sony Isolation tips – and they've been pretty good to get a seal.
 
The 5 filters basically alter the bass – each one by about 1.5-2.0 dB at 50 Hz, about half that at 100 Hz and a third of it at 200 Hz. They follow the normal Trinity pattern (same as Sabre) with red being the most bass heavy and purple being most bass light.
 

Sabre all filters​	Sabre vs Atlas and Delta V2 (damped and undamped filters)​

 
Sonics
So how do they sound compared to ……
 
You can refer to the graph below – as it may help. Naturally will also depend on the filters used.

1. Vs Atlas – less bass, and better quality of bass too. More vibrant mid-range. Very detailed but still reasonably smooth and for me sibilance was not enhanced. Stage wasn't massive – but bigger than the Atlas' staging. Extremely good with female vocals.
2. Vs Delta (undamped filters) – very similar bass, Sabre's might be a touch smoother – but there isn't a lot in it. Sabre is a lot more vivid through the mid-range, where the Delta is a little more relaxed. Both have plenty of detail. Fit would go to Sabre. Versatility with sound would go to Delta V2

 
Personal Tastes
I'm a Delta V2 fan. Bob leans more toward the Sabres. Neither of us is wrong – it comes down to preference. Delta V2 lets you have more control over the mid-range, and personally I find the damped filters to really nail my ideal signature.
 

MASTER 6

 
I'll show you pics of the shells because not much is likely to change with the overall build and I also have a graph for you to look at which shows the initial base signature – which I think is pretty darn good. Ignore the white line at the bottom – it was a new filter we were trialling but it's just too bass weak to be any good. Note how the filters don't do a lot – just subtle changes and probably not even as much as the Atlas or Delta. I suggested to Bob last night – and he's considering making the change ……
 

Master 6 all filters - ignore white line (not being used)​	Master 6 with long nozzles​

 
If this and Hunter are to be the pinnacles for Trinity, then the filters should be more useful than they are currently. So he's looking at retooling the prototype (when he gets it back), and swapping out the filters for the bigger Delta filters. This would give far more control to the user, and I believe better overall sound options. He can also make these filters longer as well.
 

Master 6 side view​	Master 6 angled nozzles​

 
I'm not going to go through sonic signature or anything as I had too little time with them before the driver/wiring failed.
 
Both Master 6 and Sabre will be couriered back to Bob tomorrow. I hope some of this has been helpful.
 
Paul
 

Master 6 internal face and filter socket​	Master 6 connector​

 

Left to right - Atlas, Master 6, Delta V2, Sabre​	Left to right - Atlas, Master 6, Sabre, Delta V2​

 

Sabre vs Master 6​	Sabre vs Master 6​

 

Sabre vs Master 6​	Master 6 worn​

 

 

[garcsa]

May I know more about the sound signature of Master 4 ( more than " Delta on steroids") - with  neutral filter. Brooko didn't has the prototype... Bob please. Thanks.

 

[Gaghiel]

hmm...any particular reason for having different 2 pins configuration for both Sabre and M6? Would prefer the Sabre design though. 

 

[Indigo Bob]

@Brooko ,  Thank you so much,  I can hardly contain my excitement for the sabre.  

 
I think the SPINFITS are going to be a great complement to these guys.

 

[Brooko]

  hmm...any particular reason for having different 2 pins configuration for both Sabre and M6? Would prefer the Sabre design though. 

 
More reliable than MMCX - less likely to be connection issues over time.

 

[Gaghiel]

   
More reliable than MMCX - less likely to be connection issues over time.

Brooko, thanks. What i am trying to ask is not MMCX vs typical 2 pins, but rather M6 2 pins male connector sticking out vs Sabre's flush with shell. 

 

[stenog]

@Brooko

 Just want to thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. I read most of your reviews and all of them are top notch.

 

[Brooko]

  Brooko, thanks. What i am trying to ask is not MMCX vs typical 2 pins, but rather M6 2 pins male connector sticking out vs Sabre's flush with shell. 

 
Ah - the Sabre is a prototype.  In reality the connector will look just like the one on Delta Vs.  Here's a couple of photos:
 

 

 

[myemaildw]

neat to have detachable cables, especially if you will use differrent type cables, and balanced, but bulky, not as i had on dv1 with fabric cable, that one was something you would buy in apple store. really a travesty delta isnt sold in apple store. most people would like it. everyone likes bass. i would prefer emphasis on subbass and may be a better dynamic for bass was a bit low quality compared to rest of sound. may be you should contact tim cook about selling your stuff in apple store? i hear he reads emails of their customers.

 

[Jackpot77]

neat to have detachable cables, especially if you will use differrent type cables, and balanced, but bulky, not as i had on dv1 with fabric cable, that one was something you would buy in apple store. really a travesty delta isnt sold in apple store. most people would like it. everyone likes bass. i would prefer emphasis on subbass and may be a better dynamic for bass was a bit low quality compared to rest of sound. may be you should contact tim cook about selling your stuff in apple store? i hear he reads emails of their customers.

In order for Apple to take their slice of the pie profit-wise, Bob would probably have to double the retail price just to break even. Sure he's mentioned on here before about remaining an online sales proposition to annoys having to pay extortionate percentages to the retailers like Apple.

 

[Bobtrinity]

Thanks Brooko for fielding all those questions.

But just to be clear (I'm not sure if I mentioned to Brooko or not) but the production 2 pin system is a little different for the phantom range, see this image.

 

[Bobtrinity]

In order for Apple to take their slice of the pie profit-wise, Bob would probably have to double the retail price just to break even. Sure he's mentioned on here before about remaining an online sales proposition to annoys having to pay extortionate percentages to the retailers like Apple.

If I remember correctly it's around 70% margin they require and also would need to have there approval thingy so add another £$8 a unit.

Makes you think about the real cost and what you are getting when buying third party products from a fruit based store.

 

[Bobtrinity]

After going back and forth with Brooko he had some amazingly valid points and some tough love and so we are going to make a couple more final tweaks on the 6 to get it just right.

The fact is at this cost you the customers have to be amazed , otherwise what's the point