[1] When I learned about spatial hearing in the university the context was how our hearing decodes the directions of sound sources. The context assumed sounds to have correct spatial cues (real physical sound sources) and how our hearing decodes those correct cues. ... The context was not spatial cues in music production ...
[2] I may not have the exact same training you have, but I have an university degree. [2a] So please don't try to imply I am an idiot not knowing anything about anything!
1. Exactly, that's been a large part of the problem from the very beginning and still continues to be, despite it being clearly explained to you numerous times! You are applying your knowledge of the spatial cues of "real physical sound sources" to a completely different context (music production) that has relatively little to do with "real physical sound sources". In other words, you are MIS-APPLYING your knowledge and therefore, many of your assumptions/conclusion are incorrect/invalid!!
2. You're joking right? Let's say you need brain surgery, do you go to someone who: A. Has a degree in theoretical physics, or B. Has a degree in medicine and is a GP (general practitioner) or C. Is a practising neurosurgeon with several/many years experience? Which of these do you think knows more about brain surgery? The theoretical physicist probably knows a great deal, is highly intelligent and certainly not an idiot but OBVIOUSLY, a degree in theoretical physics doesn't confer or imply any knowledge whatsoever of neurosurgery. The GP certainly knows more about brain surgery than the average person and more than the physicist but without the specialist knowledge, training and practical experience, is still likely to kill you, which is why GPs aren't allowed to perform brain surgery! How do you not know this? Therefore:
2a. I am certainly NOT implying that you do "not know anything about anything". What I AM stating is that you know very little specifically about commercial music production and that's because: A. It's blatantly obvious to anyone who does know about commercial music production and B. You've effectively admitted it yourself, with various statements like the bolded one quoted in the previous point. So, I don't need to imply your are an idiot, you're doing that all by yourself!
[1] I'm certain artists are much more interested in things like spectral balance and balance of tracks than ILD.
[2] Decades in "business" gives you knowledge, but you can learn some knowledge by yourself.
[2a] That's good, because 100 % of people can't work in "business". Only a handful of people can.
[3] I have watched quite a lot of Youtube videos about mixing and
[3a] the overall "message" in those videos it to keep ILD at low frequences small.
[4] Dr. Luke says "make bass mono" etc. If I am wrong so are THEY! People with serious BIG hits! If that's being wrong who wants to be right?
[5] George Lucas created THX to ensure the sound people hear in movie theatres is what he wanted people to hear, but that's movie theatres. People's homes are so different and people use speakers and headphones.
1. Why are you "certain"? Do you have evidence, have you actually asked the artists or have you just made-up that assumption/assertion?
2. Of course "you can learn some knowledge by yourself". I could, for example, "learn some knowledge" about brain surgery. In fact, with today's internet, I could probably learn quite a lot of knowledge but without training and practical experience I'd be extremely likely to misinterpret and/or mis-apply that knowledge, plus, I'd have to be a delusional idiot to repeatedly argue with an actual practising neurosurgeon. And, even more of an idiot to state the neurosurgeon is wrong because they're "hiding behind their business to gain authority"!!
2a. And what evidence are you basing that assertion on? There's currently many tens of thousands (maybe 100,000 or so) of professional music/sound engineers worldwide and over the course of the last 50+ years, many hundreds of thousands but they/we are all wrong and you, a hobbyist, are right.
3. And again, would you expect someone with no training or practical experience in brain surgery to know more than an actual neurosurgeon on the basis that they'd watched "quite a lot of Youtube videos" on the subject?
3a. Great example of self-contradiction! You stated "
it's not surprising for me if the whole thing has always been more or less overlooked in music production" but now you're saying the "overall message" of the videos you've seen by a professional music producer was precisely the opposite!
4. Dr Luke is not a "THEY", he's a "he". He's perfectly entitled to his opinion and to produce music how he wants and other professional producers are entitled to theirs. As a general rule, I would agree with his advice to "make the bass mono" but the point you consistently ignore is that music production is an art and therefore there are some/many situations where a "general rule" is (or can be) inapplicable. Furthermore, your use (and therefore implied understanding) of "right" and "wrong" is clearly incorrect in the context of art/music production!
5. Which is why the creation of film sound does not have a mastering phase, while the creation of a music recording for home/consumer reproduction does. Don't you even know the basic purpose of mastering?
[1] I don't have good arguments to not use crossfeed.
[1a] So I don't say that. I have good arguments to use crossfeed so I say it.
[2] People in the "business" have not convinced me to change my opinions.
[2a] From my perspective they hide behind their "business" to gain authority.
[3] All these years, studies, hobbies etc. CAN'T mean zero knowledge! That is impossible!! My knowledge is nonzero!!!
1. How is that possible, considering several good arguments have been presented in this thread? The obvious answer would appear to be that you "don't have good arguments to not use crossfeed" because you are deliberately ignoring them!
1a. So, why don't you say that? Why do you "say" only the "arguments" (facts/science) you've decided not to ignore (clearly on the basis that they agree with, rather contradict, your belief/agenda)? Is this the Sound Science forum or the "Bits of sound science that 71dB has decided not to ignore" forum?
2. People in the business (or at least this one) is not trying to convince you to change your opinions. It's near impossible to change the opinion of someone with an agenda. All I'm doing is refuting your false assertions, as I've told you numerous times previously.
2a. Of course they do, because anyone who disagrees with your agenda has to be wrong and hiding behind something to gain authority. What are you hiding behind to gain authority? Being a hobbyist, watching "quite a lot of Youtube videos" and self admittedly never having formally studied music production or even personally witnessed it!
3. In EFFECT it can indeed "mean zero knowledge"! What's the practical difference between someone with zero knowledge and someone with quite a lot of knowledge who applies it out of context/incorrectly??
And again, round and round the same old circle with exactly the same result! What's the famous cliche attributed to Einstein about repeating exactly the same actions and expecting a different result?
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in January, but I agree. I need a break from here to do something complete different…
So well, that I was fooled for years to think solid scientific justification exists!
