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May 27, 2025 at 10:43 AM Post #107,221 of 107,589
Please don’t light my a$$ on fire, but I hated it. You can always dismiss my impressions and if you need an excuse, I flat out can’t deal with this type of shrill, thin, cold and forward midrange regardless of note size.
That takes some massives cojones so I will give you that xD. But yea audio is very subjective so no matter if 99% people love it and you dont, if you dont you dont.
I exaggerate a little, but 17,000 euros makes me a little more demanding than usual
THIS is makes it all the more a reason to have a strong opinion.
 
May 27, 2025 at 11:03 AM Post #107,222 of 107,589
That takes some massives cojones so I will give you that xD.

It really shouldn’t though. Not just relative to the Fugaku but all these IEMs are damn $$$. If someone doesn’t like something about it, it should be said why imo. All of his reasons for disliking it are valid (although I can’t imagine hearing it as thin 😃). I personally think if anyone gets upset by negative impressions it’s more of an insecurity thing than anything. 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
May 27, 2025 at 11:57 AM Post #107,223 of 107,589
My thoughts on the Letshuoer Cadenza 12 are HERE.

This is a big boy IEM and could easily be someone's endgame. For me, it's just a bit too expressive in that treble, but still, my overall impression can be seen in the reflection below.

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Thanks to AG Europe for organizing the tour!


I absolutely LOVE this photo hahaha
 
May 27, 2025 at 8:51 PM Post #107,224 of 107,589
Had the chance to put together the impressions from today on the train ride from London to Paris

I basically crammed two years worth of releases in two hours, so please take these impressions with a grain of salt. I would consider this more of a selection process for IEMs I’d like to revisit rather than final judgements

For the sake of simplicity, I used Eletech eartips (in two sizes) for all IEMs because they fit me extremely well, and it will provide some consistency for the impressions. I got a good seal and fit for all IEMs in these impressions

The SP3000M is the default source for all impressions in this list. I would describe it as mildly warm and very textured and smooth, if you’d like to correct for it.

Once again, a big big thank you to Elise for having me. Even more so considering today was a bank holiday in London

1. General impressions

IEMs have gotten really, really good. The sound quality on IEMs at all kinds of price points has gotten so high that I feel like differentiation is one of the main challenges for manufacturers.

A lot of IEMs sounded spectacular, and would be stone cold killers a few years ago, but competition is so high right now, it takes something extraordinary to really grab my attention.

That creates the opposite issue, where some IEMs work so hard to be distinctive, that they end up overdoing it in the wrong direction and end up sounding weird or wonky, and not in a good way

Unrelated, but I gravitated really well to the APX SE. The honeymoon has worn off, and I'd still take it over basically anything I heard today except maybe HEX.

2. Lee (Elysian and Mysticraft)

The HEX was the big star of the show for me. It is bold, with massive bass, incredible texture all around, exceptional treble tuning that manages to always sound clear and exciting, but never sibilant or unpleasant. I’ve never heard an IEM that sounded so distinctive, but manages to sound so good with literally anything I play on it

I guess I’d describe the sound as an L shape. It wasn’t forward enough in the midrange and treble to call it a W or a V shape, but the bass is also super clean so it never really interferes with the clarity and detail

In terms of chain modifications, I’d like to try some thinner and brighter cables (Euclid comes to mind), and maybe a more neutral source just to see what comes out of it

I loved how well it scales down. It sounds incredible off Apple dongle just as it does off my SP3000M, and a DACamp that Ahmed let me try. I really appreciate that it is easy to drive, and even more how unpretentious it is when it comes down to synergy

I knew I loved it in the first 2 minutes, told myself I wouldn’t listen to it any more to give time to other IEMs, but ended up trying it again and again.

Only gripe is the soundstage is a little narrower than I’d like. It’s not narrow, it’s just not flagship width like the Moses or APX SE.

I also tried the Annihilator 2023, which I liked a lot more than the 2021. It’s a bit like a less refined HEX, that edged on sibilance at times even though it had less treble overall. Amazing bass, great treble, slightly “Lee” mids with that upper midrange tilt. Not too bad though

Tried the Elise Elysian X, which is supposed to have more bass compared to the X I tried years ago. It has actual punch and mid bass presence. A hint too energetic in the upper midrange, but it’s a really respectable IEM, that had amazing clarity, detail and technicals. Would consider owning it to be honest, it’s one of the IEMs that positively surprised me the most, and is kind of sort of living in my head rent free right now

I will wait for Lee’s quadbrid and I might ask Elise to maybe let me spend like a week or whatever with the X to decide if I want to jump on one

The Mysticraft tribrid was just awful. HEX bass but didn’t achieve the same texture or separation, with a super scooped and upper-tilted upper midrange. Thin and shouty. I scrolled through a few songs really quickly, but it was just an instant pass for me

3. Storm with Sovereign 2w

This is one I was really excited to listen to, but was left very slightly underwhelmed.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great IEM, but it just didn’t do anything that was so crazy that would have me justify the cost over my custom A12t

I liked that the Storm was basically a “blank slate,” waiting for you to decide what you want it to sound like with your source.

I liked it with the Nipo N2, hated it off that huge modded iBasso (I found it extremely bright and clinical). I think people also exaggerate how hard it is to drive, because it sounded excellent off the SP3000M, and it wasn’t so far behind the Nipo N2 (which is supposed to be really powerful so I guess it can drive the Storm to most of its potential)

I understand the appeal of the IEM, especially for headphone audiophiles who already have crazy setups that are just waiting for a Storm, but it didn’t do anything so special for me to justify the cost, especially compared to other reference monitors (I consider the ability to be easily driven and scaling down advantages)

Purely subjective, but I would personally prefer IEMs that are a little more distinctive at that price range. I’m happy with the A12t sounding a little generic at 2000$, but not so much with something at the Storm’s price

I like the APX SE much better, it’s easier to drive and I feel like it has a more unique take on “reference”

Again though, I kinda get it and I respect the IEM. Can’t say anything truly negative about it. Will revisit

4. Macbeth

Not just the best BA bass I’ve heard, but some of the best bass quality I’ve heard out of any IEM.

I don’t want to say too much about the Macbeth, mostly because I want to try and create a specific chain around it to see how much I can fine tune the sound. It sounded weirdly thin, sibilant and metallic with some tracks, but like a completely different IEM with others

I don’t think I’ve experienced finding an IEM both too warm and pleasant, and too bright and harsh almost at the same time. I guess it has some really specific treble peaks that specific tracks hit

Definitely one to revisit and experiment with.

5. FiR Rn6 and Project K

Loved the Rn6, not so much the Project K. The Rn6 completely deserves all the praise it has gotten so far. It’s the most balanced FiR by a mile, with a clear but unobtrusive and textured midrange, exceptional kinetic bass and really well extended, gentle treble

Didn’t focus on technical ability too much cause I was running low on time and I already knew I wanted to give it another go. It’s excellent.

Project K… It’s a mess. It has the Xe6 bass, with fat and thick lower mids, but then it has this weird peak in the midrange that makes it sound dense, cold and harsh at the same time

I appreciate an IEM that sacrifices clarity for a thicker, more pleasant and inviting sound

I can also appreciate an IEM that sacrifices warmth and texture for clarity, detail and resolution

The Project K manages to sacrifice both clarity and warmth at the same time, without the advantages of either.

I’d like to hear it again, because I generally appreciate Belonozhko tuning, but it was so far away from something enjoyable for me, I don’t see what will reel it in.

All listening done on silver module.

6. Omnium Ti

Reserving impression on it until I hear final tuning. Heard two prototypes (kinda) today, and they show a lot of promise, but I generally don’t want to provide too much impressions without having a final unit in my hands.

Shared my feedback with Ahmed, very excited to see the final results

7. Fugaku

Please don’t light my a$$ on fire, but I hated it. You can always dismiss my impressions and if you need an excuse, I flat out can’t deal with this type of shrill, thin, cold and forward midrange regardless of note size.

If you do want to hear what I think, here it goes

First and foremost, I am not saying this in relation to price or portability (and I think that both are massive issues). I wouldn’t own the Fugaku at any price point

The bass is undoubtedly excellent in a vacuum. It’s big, it’s bold, and it has actual mid bass which I always appreciate

It is plagued by the same issues as the Moses though, it just can’t keep up with busy music.

The midrange on the Fugaku contributes to that, because there’s basically no lower mids coupled with an upper midrange that I’d describe as brutal on the ears (I exaggerate a little, but 17,000 euros makes me a little more demanding than usual). It all adds up to this artificial sense of clarity that makes vocals massive and kills any instrumental separation that the slow bass didn’t kill already

The treble is great, but with the rest of the FR who cares

Don’t kill me for these impressions, as I said earlier everything about the Fugaku’s tuning is something that I am “built” to dislike, and so is most of my library.

My more “objective” dislike for the Fugaku is the existence of the Elise Elysian X for example, which I think has a way more tasteful and mature approach to a similar mid-forward tuning with big bold bass.

8. Others

MMR Thummim - met with @doctorjuggles for dinner and drinks last night, loved the Thum as much as I did when I first heard it. A lot of the Thummim’s DNA is in the HEX, and I dare say it does some things a little better, even though the overall tuning of the HEX is much more refined with better texture, dynamics and a lot more

Erl - still as bored as I was the first time listening to it. It just presents everything as too mild and pleasant, to me it completely fails to transmit any emotion that isn’t rainbows and butterflies and unicorns

Craft Ears Aurum - it slapped back then, it still slaps. Awesome value, and something I’d enjoy listening to frequently regardless of price. Would love to compare it to Omnium Ti when that’s out

PS I forgot to keep taking photos of the stuff I listened to after the first idk how many IEMs
After reading your review, i suspect hex is highly source dependant which will change its sound signature. I remember hearing the vocals way way foward and right in my face with sp3kt. Sadly, i cannot test it with all my daps to verify it.
 
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May 27, 2025 at 10:02 PM Post #107,225 of 107,589
Have been on a roll with cables lately 😂. Recently discovered Nightcraft Vesper fixed everything for my Indigo bringing it back from the edge of the collection. Took me a long time to find that synergy.

Same thing has occurred with another of my aging collection, the classic Xe6. I have finally found the best sounding match I've yet heard for my lonely Xe6 in the form of Eletech Odyssey! This awesome cable has given Xe6 a complete makeover and it is now out and about getting some good time after months in the case. Thanks @Eric Chong!! I'm stoked!
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May 27, 2025 at 10:05 PM Post #107,226 of 107,589
Have been on a roll with cables lately 😂. Recently discovered Nightcraft Vesper fixed everything for my Indigo bringing it back from the edge of the collection. Took me a long time to find that synergy.

Same thing has occurred with another of my aging collection, the classic Xe6. I have finally found the best sounding match I've yet heard for my lonely Xe6 in the form of Eletech Odyssey! This awesome cable has given Xe6 a complete makeover and it is now out and about getting some good time after months in the case. Thanks @Eric Chong!! I'm stoked!
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Don’t tease us like that… Talk more about what it does for XE6!! DETAILS. lol
 
May 27, 2025 at 10:06 PM Post #107,227 of 107,589
Same thing has occurred with another of my aging collection, the classic Xe6. I have finally found the best sounding match I've yet heard for my lonely Xe6 in the form of Eletech Odyssey! This awesome cable has given Xe6 a complete makeover and it is now out and about getting some good time after months in the case. Thanks @Eric Chong!! I'm stoked!
Is the synergy as good as OTL?
 
May 27, 2025 at 10:09 PM Post #107,228 of 107,589
Is the synergy as good as OTL?
Funny, that's what I switched from! I'm going to drill down more, but I think I initially prefer Odyssey for Xe6.

@Aetherhole I am hearing the bass get more focused or a little tighter, with clearer more forward mids and a wider, more separated stage. Need more time to really digest what's happening here, but it bangs.
 
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May 28, 2025 at 12:34 AM Post #107,229 of 107,589
Hey guys! I'm new here and someone recommended me the watercooler thread for this. Best All-Rounder Setup under $3,000?

A little about me. I'm 21 right now, a student in Tokyo and studying music composition. I am looking for a one and done all-rounder for my library.

My Library for reference: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/softears-volume-s.27823/reviews#review-37944

The IEMs I'm really keen on at the moment are: Forte Ears Macbeth, Alpha Omega Omega & Thieaudio Valhalla [All Used]. I'd really like to demo them if possible but I'm not sure if that's possible in Tokyo except Valhalla. I'm open for other recommendations and opinions. I like a balanced-warm signature as I listen to recordings and study them for more than 6 hours on a daily basis, so something too energetic is not what's best for me.
 
May 28, 2025 at 1:22 AM Post #107,230 of 107,589
Hey guys! I'm new here and someone recommended me the watercooler thread for this. Best All-Rounder Setup under $3,000?

A little about me. I'm 21 right now, a student in Tokyo and studying music composition. I am looking for a one and done all-rounder for my library.

My Library for reference: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/softears-volume-s.27823/reviews#review-37944

The IEMs I'm really keen on at the moment are: Forte Ears Macbeth, Alpha Omega Omega & Thieaudio Valhalla [All Used]. I'd really like to demo them if possible but I'm not sure if that's possible in Tokyo except Valhalla. I'm open for other recommendations and opinions. I like a balanced-warm signature as I listen to recordings and study them for more than 6 hours on a daily basis, so something too energetic is not what's best for me.
You can visit here : https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attract...ara-Chiyoda_Tokyo_Tokyo_Prefecture_Kanto.html
I think they have more than enough collection for you to try 😁
 
May 28, 2025 at 1:53 AM Post #107,231 of 107,589
One of the surprises of this HighEnd edition, the last one to take place in Munich, was the Letshuoer stand. They had a lot of new stuff, like the all BA’s Mystic 8, the brand new Serenade
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in a beautiful stabilised wood shell and the most striking of all a new prototype of a 2DD+4BA+4EST tribrid that has a funny story. When the Audiogeek community caught wind of the Lethsuoer's UK rep, Jon, high bass shelf EJ07M, everybody instantly wanted one. Jon worked his magic and there will be a special release ofbthis IEM. But this is where it gets better; while loosely based on their previous EJ07M, this new model adds a second DD and 2 more BA’s, raising the drivers count to 10.
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The bass response is one of the standout features. It strikes the right balance between impact and control, offering a deep, resonant low end that with the proper amplification can just about make your teeth rattle. Sub-bass frequencies extend quite low, giving a nice rumble, perfect for genres such as electronic, hip-hop, and rap. More importantly, the bass is quite fast, keeping up with double bass drums in technical death metal and the likes. The mid-bass is textured and articulated, making it a good choice for all sorts of metal/rock related genres.
While the first demand of the Audiogeeks was bass, the second condition was mids that provide enough body and energy. Vocals, both male and female, are rendered with remarkable naturalness, without that powerful bass bleeding into the mids. The clarity is striking. The mids are neither recessed nor overly forward, striking a good balance. Distorted guitars have enough grit while acoustic ones sound smooth and natural.
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The treble response is crisp and airy, with excellent detail retrieval. The 4 ESTs provide the typical slightly shimmery delivery, backed by enough body provided, most likely by the BA’s. I haven’t noticed any sibilance, even with the worst offenders, like the Seventh Son of the Seventh Son.
The soundstage is large, sort of ovoidal, and provides that ‘wall of sound’ I’m always looking for.
I was lucky enough to test it at home for a few days and I'm thoroughly impressed. The engineering unit was very responsive to tips and cable rolling, and I have all the reasons to believe that the end product will be the same. They are quite power hungry, benefiting greatly from an additional amplifier. I have tried them with Tsuranagi and I swear I could feel the bass pounding in my chest. As for cables, my favourite was Nightcraft Nocturne, a very neutral cable that enlarged the stage even further and brought some even more clarity without altering the sound signature.
The good news don’t stop here, they aim to provide the end product in titanium shells with a stabilised wood faceplate, so the best of two worlds. I am a big sucker for titanium shells so I ordered one on the spot and I can’t wait to get it.

So look out for this one, Letshuoer have already proven themselves before, with Cadenza 12, Cadenza 4 and many other sets. It's about time they get some recognition for they efforts.
 
May 28, 2025 at 1:54 AM Post #107,232 of 107,589
Hey guys! I'm new here and someone recommended me the watercooler thread for this. Best All-Rounder Setup under $3,000?

A little about me. I'm 21 right now, a student in Tokyo and studying music composition. I am looking for a one and done all-rounder for my library.

My Library for reference: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/softears-volume-s.27823/reviews#review-37944

The IEMs I'm really keen on at the moment are: Forte Ears Macbeth, Alpha Omega Omega & Thieaudio Valhalla [All Used]. I'd really like to demo them if possible but I'm not sure if that's possible in Tokyo except Valhalla. I'm open for other recommendations and opinions. I like a balanced-warm signature as I listen to recordings and study them for more than 6 hours on a daily basis, so something too energetic is not what's best for me.
Vision Ears VE 10 is balanced and warm at the same time with decent technicality for the price. Soundstage is typical VE that envelope around your head. Stock cable is already superb too!

Canpur CP74E can also be an option if you want a slightly better treble with EST texture. The bass is fine and focused more on the sub-bass but won't match VE 10 DD bass physicality.

Alternatives for CP74E IMO is U18T, a bit similar from bass to midrange but a bit more energetic on the treble side vs 74E. The good thing is that you can tune the bass/warmth using the APEX Module, too. Used U18T can be purchased within the $1500-1800 range, and you can buy yourself a decent copper cable to add extra warmth.

Yeah, Valhalla should be another good option too. I haven't heard it, tho. I think Macbeth is more V-shaped and intense due to the elevated treble region and slightly thin vocal, I won't recommend it to listen for a long time. Not to mention, the shell is quite big too, and you need to cramp it deep inside your ears to maximize the bone conduction effect.
 
May 28, 2025 at 2:05 AM Post #107,233 of 107,589
May 28, 2025 at 2:05 AM Post #107,234 of 107,589
Hey guys! I'm new here and someone recommended me the watercooler thread for this. Best All-Rounder Setup under $3,000?

A little about me. I'm 21 right now, a student in Tokyo and studying music composition. I am looking for a one and done all-rounder for my library.

My Library for reference: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/softears-volume-s.27823/reviews#review-37944

The IEMs I'm really keen on at the moment are: Forte Ears Macbeth, Alpha Omega Omega & Thieaudio Valhalla [All Used]. I'd really like to demo them if possible but I'm not sure if that's possible in Tokyo except Valhalla. I'm open for other recommendations and opinions. I like a balanced-warm signature as I listen to recordings and study them for more than 6 hours on a daily basis, so something too energetic is not what's best for me.

Lime Ears Maris

I'm enjoying the demo unit now for the last two weeks and I've just ordered my own Maris

I think it's perfect for your library with lots of classical and jazz. It's a big, mature, 3-dimensional and very natural sound, perfect for those genres.
 
May 28, 2025 at 2:08 AM Post #107,235 of 107,589
Vision Ears VE 10 is balanced and warm at the same time with decent technicality for the price. Soundstage is typical VE that envelope around your head. Stock cable is already superb too!

Canpur CP74E can also be an option if you want a slightly better treble with EST texture. The bass is fine and focused more on the sub-bass but won't match VE 10 DD bass physicality.

Alternatives for CP74E IMO is U18T, a bit similar from bass to midrange but a bit more energetic on the treble side vs 74E. The good thing is that you can tune the bass/warmth using the APEX Module, too. Used U18T can be purchased within the $1500-1800 range, and you can buy yourself a decent copper cable to add extra warmth.

Yeah, Valhalla should be another good option too. I haven't heard it, tho. I think Macbeth is more V-shaped and intense due to the elevated treble region and slightly thin vocal, I won't recommend it to listen for a long time. Not to mention, the shell is quite big too, and you need to cramp it deep inside your ears to maximize the bone conduction effect.
I haven't heard Macbeth and that's why I'm really dying to try it. If it be too energetic, I'll start endurance training my ears for the Valhalla. I really think when you wear IEMs for +8 hours daily comfort edges other things out.

I never thought seriously about Vision Ears, maybe will keep an eye on that.

Lime Ears Maris
Is it on par with Endgame sets like Macbeth, Valhlla or Omega. Like Soundstage, Resolution and Timbre. I'm going to get away from this hobby for at least 3 years and focus solely on the composing side and so I'm in for a one-and-done setup. Thanks for the rec. I'll check it out if I am lucky enough to demo it.
 
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