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May 26, 2025 at 2:12 PM Post #107,191 of 107,473
CANPUR CP622bI was prepared to have my mind blown by these.
Fantastic balance, not convinced on note weight and impact down low which was more of a permanent bass shelf instead, mids sounded a bit closed in, muffled and diffuse (due to the BCD?), missing a bit of sparkle while “s” sounds and cymbals had a slightly artificial sound, lacking a bit of air, staging wasn’t very convincing, nor were dynamics.
I am struck by this description as it was my initial impression, almost to a T. Then I paired them with the Nightcraft Nocturne Shielding cable and it nearly perfectly addressed these issues. Added weight and depth down low, opened the mids wide, added sparkle up top, yet without sibilance. That slight artificial sound (BA timbre?) may remain in certain places, but I find it a small price to pay for some mesmerizing, immersive sound reproduction.
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:12 PM Post #107,192 of 107,473
Sorry if this comes across too bluntly, but I honestly have no idea how you set up the Storm (maybe a weak source?), I can’t relate to or understand your impressions at all when compared to the APX SE.

– APX SE has a taller soundstage, while Storm feels clearly wider and more rectangular in shape.
– APX SE sounds denser and more musical; Storm is drier, but overall faster, has more speed.
– Storm is more dynamic and offers greater resolution (of course, not in the bass).
– APX SE has a longer decay in the bass (DD vs BA).
– APX SE has a higher engagement factor, more forwardness.

Anyway, I love both, definitely complementary.
The problem with discussing Storm in general is how source responsive it is

Off the iBasso Max whatever model it’s shockingly fast resolving and technical but it also sounds completely lifeless

Off SP3000M and the nipo DAP, storm was very natural and a little warm, decent stage with amazing imaging. The stage isn’t small at all, I just find the APX SE to basically have the biggest IEM stage I’ve heard

Also the APX SE has a planar driver in addition to DD… its bass is stupid fast, it has almost no decay at all, which works insanely well with how textured it is

BA bass can be slow or fast. Traillii is pretty slow for example

DD bass can be slow or fast. Fourte is a super easy example of fast DD bass with little decay, but the best example of that is the APX imo
 
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May 26, 2025 at 2:14 PM Post #107,193 of 107,473
And this is a great example of why you cannot rely on graphs to guide your thought process on sound. These two sound quite different, and while there are similarities, it really ends once you plug them in and start listening.
Yeah, I kinda agreed because I used to demo CP622B quite a lot (more than 5 different times if I remember correctly) in 2024 and always thought about romantic/relaxed mids, holographic intimate soundstage, and detailed treble that quite rolled off - a lot of things I don't find in Storm's general impressions that are more on the super detailed, super expansive, and super technical reference set. I haven't had the chance to hear Storm, and that's why it's intriguing for me to explore the impressions of others.
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:20 PM Post #107,194 of 107,473
I am struck by this description as it was my initial impression, almost to a T. Then I paired them with the Nightcraft Nocturne Shielding cable and it nearly perfectly addressed these issues. Added weight and depth down low, opened the mids wide, added sparkle up top, yet without sibilance. That slight artificial sound (BA timbre?) may remain in certain places, but I find it a small price to pay for some mesmerizing, immersive sound reproduction.
The perfect definition of Synergy, right here.

drftr
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:24 PM Post #107,195 of 107,473
...but next up I will be butchered for my Storm impressions? 😉

drftr
Come on, dear Jopp, you know I really appreciate you 😉.

Personally, I think STORM sounds very open / open more than enough – but only when it’s run at the highest gain setting with my daps. Otherwise, it can indeed feel a bit closed in, kind of like the Anni 23, by the way. I find the timbre, vocals (especially the lower mids), and bass to be perfect. No idea… I just don’t hear any flaws in it at all. In its own way, I’d say the same about the APX SE.

Maybe I'm too easy to please. Sure, there's always something that could be better. Nevertheless, there is absolutely nothing that bothers me about STORM (and APX SE) 🤷🏻‍♂️

The problem with discussing Storm in general is how source responsive it is

Off the iBasso Max whatever model it’s shockingly fast but it also sounds completely lifeless
I can understand why you felt this way, I felt similarly with the Sovereign 2w (incredibly clinical), which is why I liked Mira 2 more.

Off SP3000M and the nipo DAP, storm was very natural and a little warm, decent stage with amazing imaging. The stage isn’t small at all, I just find the APX SE to basically have the biggest IEM stage I’ve heard
Biggest stage… ever heard Mentor, Traillii or Trifecta? They are bigger for me.

Also the APX SE has a planar driver in addition to DD… its bass is stupid fast, it has almost no decay at all, which works insanely well with how textured it is

BA bass can be slow or fast. Traillii is pretty slow for example

DD bass can be slow or fast. Fourte is a super easy example of fast DD bass with little decay, but the best example of that is the APX imo
Ok wait, maybe the tips play a significant role here too. With the same tips I hear more decay (and a generally better bass) with APX SE.
 
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May 26, 2025 at 2:29 PM Post #107,196 of 107,473
Then I paired them with the Nightcraft Nocturne Shielding cable and it nearly perfectly addressed these issues. Added weight and depth down low, opened the mids wide, added sparkle up top, yet without sibilance.
That's something I wanna know, too! It seems that the ET Socrates cable hinders some of CP622 B's strengths. Now, I'm curious about how cable rolling to a good, brighter silver cable will change the CP622 sound to a more technical powerhouse.
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:31 PM Post #107,197 of 107,473
Come on, dear Jopp, you know I really appreciate you 😉.

Personally, I think STORM sounds very open / open more than enough – but only when it’s run at the highest gain setting. Otherwise, it can indeed feel a bit closed in, kind of like the Anni 23, by the way. I find the timbre, vocals (especially the lower mids), and bass to be perfect. No idea… I just don’t hear any flaws in it at all. In its own way, I’d say the same about the APX SE.

Maybe I'm too easy to please. Sure, there's always something that could be better. Nevertheless, there is absolutely nothing that bothers me about STORM and APX SE 🤷🏻‍♂️


I can understand why you felt this way, I felt similarly with the Sovereign 2w (incredibly clinical), which is why I liked Mira 2 more.


Biggest stage… ever heard Mentor, Traillii or Trifecta? They are bigger for me.


Ok wait, maybe the tips play a significant role here too. With the same tips I hear more decay (and a generally better bass) with APX SE.
No clue, APX SE bass is so special specifically because of the bass speed in the combination with the texture to my ears. No IEM I’ve ever heard is able to achieve such both to such a degree

I’ve heard Traillii and Trifecta, not Mentor

Traillii is similarly wide as the APX from memory, but the APX reaches higher

Trifecta was whatever to me, with that tuning I didn’t see the point in over-evaluating technical ability

Many people will have different impressions of the same IEMs because of ear anatomy, tips, sources and like a million other things, it’s ok

For what it’s worth my first Storm setup was kinda as you describe it. Extremely clean, clear, transparent and technical, pure neutrality. Source had tons of power (iBasso max modded), but so did the NiPo in the end

It’s so lifeless off a neutral chain imo, that I’d never really even consider owning it when it makes everything sound digital and dead. Saying it’s more natural was a compliment.
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:36 PM Post #107,198 of 107,473
That's something I wanna know, too! It seems that the ET Socrates cable hinders some of CP622 B's strengths. Now, I'm curious about how cable rolling to a good, brighter silver cable will change the CP622 sound to a more technical powerhouse.
That plus perhaps a DAP with a little bite in the upper mids.

drftr
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:37 PM Post #107,199 of 107,473
For what it’s worth my first Storm setup was kinda as you describe it. Extremely clean, clear, transparent and technical, pure neutrality. Source had tons of power (iBasso max modded), but so did the NiPo in the end

It’s so lifeless off a neutral chain imo, that I’d never really even consider owning it when it makes everything sound digital and dead. Saying it’s more natural was a compliment.

That's exactly how I feel about the Storm on a neutral chain as well... technicals can be great but tonally it is stale. It always gives me a feeling of "listening to the IEM/drivers and not the music"

Good thing that 3000M-CN Storm combo sounds beautiful :)
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:51 PM Post #107,200 of 107,473
That plus perhaps a DAP with a little bite in the upper mids.
Yeah, too bad I've sold my DX260 :), it's quite bright and technically great on the mids and treble.
 
May 26, 2025 at 2:58 PM Post #107,201 of 107,473
Had the chance to put together the impressions from today on the train ride from London to Paris

I basically crammed two years worth of releases in two hours, so please take these impressions with a grain of salt. I would consider this more of a selection process for IEMs I’d like to revisit rather than final judgements

For the sake of simplicity, I used Eletech eartips (in two sizes) for all IEMs because they fit me extremely well, and it will provide some consistency for the impressions. I got a good seal and fit for all IEMs in these impressions

The SP3000M is the default source for all impressions in this list. I would describe it as mildly warm and very textured and smooth, if you’d like to correct for it.

Once again, a big big thank you to Elise for having me. Even more so considering today was a bank holiday in London

1. General impressions

IEMs have gotten really, really good. The sound quality on IEMs at all kinds of price points has gotten so high that I feel like differentiation is one of the main challenges for manufacturers.

A lot of IEMs sounded spectacular, and would be stone cold killers a few years ago, but competition is so high right now, it takes something extraordinary to really grab my attention.

That creates the opposite issue, where some IEMs work so hard to be distinctive, that they end up overdoing it in the wrong direction and end up sounding weird or wonky, and not in a good way

Unrelated, but I gravitated really well to the APX SE. The honeymoon has worn off, and I'd still take it over basically anything I heard today except maybe HEX.

2. Lee (Elysian and Mysticraft)

The HEX was the big star of the show for me. It is bold, with massive bass, incredible texture all around, exceptional treble tuning that manages to always sound clear and exciting, but never sibilant or unpleasant. I’ve never heard an IEM that sounded so distinctive, but manages to sound so good with literally anything I play on it

I guess I’d describe the sound as an L shape. It wasn’t forward enough in the midrange and treble to call it a W or a V shape, but the bass is also super clean so it never really interferes with the clarity and detail

In terms of chain modifications, I’d like to try some thinner and brighter cables (Euclid comes to mind), and maybe a more neutral source just to see what comes out of it

I loved how well it scales down. It sounds incredible off Apple dongle just as it does off my SP3000M, and a DACamp that Ahmed let me try. I really appreciate that it is easy to drive, and even more how unpretentious it is when it comes down to synergy

I knew I loved it in the first 2 minutes, told myself I wouldn’t listen to it any more to give time to other IEMs, but ended up trying it again and again.

Only gripe is the soundstage is a little narrower than I’d like. It’s not narrow, it’s just not flagship width like the Moses or APX SE.

I also tried the Annihilator 2023, which I liked a lot more than the 2021. It’s a bit like a less refined HEX, that edged on sibilance at times even though it had less treble overall. Amazing bass, great treble, slightly “Lee” mids with that upper midrange tilt. Not too bad though

Tried the Elise Elysian X, which is supposed to have more bass compared to the X I tried years ago. It has actual punch and mid bass presence. A hint too energetic in the upper midrange, but it’s a really respectable IEM, that had amazing clarity, detail and technicals. Would consider owning it to be honest, it’s one of the IEMs that positively surprised me the most, and is kind of sort of living in my head rent free right now

I will wait for Lee’s quadbrid and I might ask Elise to maybe let me spend like a week or whatever with the X to decide if I want to jump on one

The Mysticraft tribrid was just awful. HEX bass but didn’t achieve the same texture or separation, with a super scooped and upper-tilted upper midrange. Thin and shouty. I scrolled through a few songs really quickly, but it was just an instant pass for me

3. Storm with Sovereign 2w

This is one I was really excited to listen to, but was left very slightly underwhelmed.

Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great IEM, but it just didn’t do anything that was so crazy that would have me justify the cost over my custom A12t

I liked that the Storm was basically a “blank slate,” waiting for you to decide what you want it to sound like with your source.

I liked it with the Nipo N2, hated it off that huge modded iBasso (I found it extremely bright and clinical). I think people also exaggerate how hard it is to drive, because it sounded excellent off the SP3000M, and it wasn’t so far behind the Nipo N2 (which is supposed to be really powerful so I guess it can drive the Storm to most of its potential)

I understand the appeal of the IEM, especially for headphone audiophiles who already have crazy setups that are just waiting for a Storm, but it didn’t do anything so special for me to justify the cost, especially compared to other reference monitors (I consider the ability to be easily driven and scaling down advantages)

Purely subjective, but I would personally prefer IEMs that are a little more distinctive at that price range. I’m happy with the A12t sounding a little generic at 2000$, but not so much with something at the Storm’s price

I like the APX SE much better, it’s easier to drive and I feel like it has a more unique take on “reference”

Again though, I kinda get it and I respect the IEM. Can’t say anything truly negative about it. Will revisit

4. Macbeth

Not just the best BA bass I’ve heard, but some of the best bass quality I’ve heard out of any IEM.

I don’t want to say too much about the Macbeth, mostly because I want to try and create a specific chain around it to see how much I can fine tune the sound. It sounded weirdly thin, sibilant and metallic with some tracks, but like a completely different IEM with others

I don’t think I’ve experienced finding an IEM both too warm and pleasant, and too bright and harsh almost at the same time. I guess it has some really specific treble peaks that specific tracks hit

Definitely one to revisit and experiment with.

5. FiR Rn6 and Project K


Loved the Rn6, not so much the Project K. The Rn6 completely deserves all the praise it has gotten so far. It’s the most balanced FiR by a mile, with a clear but unobtrusive and textured midrange, exceptional kinetic bass and really well extended, gentle treble

Didn’t focus on technical ability too much cause I was running low on time and I already knew I wanted to give it another go. It’s excellent.

Project K… It’s a mess. It has the Xe6 bass, with fat and thick lower mids, but then it has this weird peak in the midrange that makes it sound dense, cold and harsh at the same time

I appreciate an IEM that sacrifices clarity for a thicker, more pleasant and inviting sound

I can also appreciate an IEM that sacrifices warmth and texture for clarity, detail and resolution

The Project K manages to sacrifice both clarity and warmth at the same time, without the advantages of either.

I’d like to hear it again, because I generally appreciate Belonozhko tuning, but it was so far away from something enjoyable for me, I don’t see what will reel it in.

All listening done on silver module.

6. Omnium Ti

Reserving impression on it until I hear final tuning. Heard two prototypes (kinda) today, and they show a lot of promise, but I generally don’t want to provide too much impressions without having a final unit in my hands.

Shared my feedback with Ahmed, very excited to see the final results

7. Fugaku


Please don’t light my a$$ on fire, but I hated it. You can always dismiss my impressions and if you need an excuse, I flat out can’t deal with this type of shrill, thin, cold and forward midrange regardless of note size.

If you do want to hear what I think, here it goes

First and foremost, I am not saying this in relation to price or portability (and I think that both are massive issues). I wouldn’t own the Fugaku at any price point

The bass is undoubtedly excellent in a vacuum. It’s big, it’s bold, and it has actual mid bass which I always appreciate

It is plagued by the same issues as the Moses though, it just can’t keep up with busy music.

The midrange on the Fugaku contributes to that, because there’s basically no lower mids coupled with an upper midrange that I’d describe as brutal on the ears (I exaggerate a little, but 17,000 euros makes me a little more demanding than usual). It all adds up to this artificial sense of clarity that makes vocals massive and kills any instrumental separation that the slow bass didn’t kill already

The treble is great, but with the rest of the FR who cares

Don’t kill me for these impressions, as I said earlier everything about the Fugaku’s tuning is something that I am “built” to dislike, and so is most of my library.

My more “objective” dislike for the Fugaku is the existence of the Elise Elysian X for example, which I think has a way more tasteful and mature approach to a similar mid-forward tuning with big bold bass.

8. Others

MMR Thummim - met with @doctorjuggles for dinner and drinks last night, loved the Thum as much as I did when I first heard it. A lot of the Thummim’s DNA is in the HEX, and I dare say it does some things a little better, even though the overall tuning of the HEX is much more refined with better texture, dynamics and a lot more

Erl - still as bored as I was the first time listening to it. It just presents everything as too mild and pleasant, to me it completely fails to transmit any emotion that isn’t rainbows and butterflies and unicorns

Craft Ears Aurum - it slapped back then, it still slaps. Awesome value, and something I’d enjoy listening to frequently regardless of price. Would love to compare it to Omnium Ti when that’s out

PS I forgot to keep taking photos of the stuff I listened to after the first idk how many IEMs

Thank you for your unfiltered impressions! I find it more excitement to read subjective impressions with comparisons to other stuff than objective reviews.
 
May 26, 2025 at 3:05 PM Post #107,202 of 107,473
That's something I wanna know, too! It seems that the ET Socrates cable hinders some of CP622 B's strengths. Now, I'm curious about how cable rolling to a good, brighter silver cable will change the CP622 sound to a more technical powerhouse.
Maybe silver. Not sure. The thing about the Nocturne cable is that's copper, but more akin to FTS or even OTL, with a deep bass response and widening / 'analogueing' of the mid-range, coupled with upper register energy but still, because of the copper, maintaining body without thinning or shrillness...
 
May 26, 2025 at 3:07 PM Post #107,203 of 107,473
Thank you for your unfiltered impressions! I find it more excitement to read subjective impressions with comparisons to other stuff than objective reviews.
"subjective impressions… objective reviews": impressions are always subjective in this hobby.
 
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May 26, 2025 at 3:09 PM Post #107,204 of 107,473
maybe the tips play a significant role here too
i found out the same. Eatips and daps play a big role in apx se. you need to play around to find a sweet spot otherwise it will be a little fatigue on the high frequency.
I like to pair it with the Rs8 for natural bass and organic sound.
 
May 26, 2025 at 3:55 PM Post #107,205 of 107,473
Many people will have different impressions of the same IEMs because of ear anatomy, tips, sources and like a million other things, it’s ok
This all day long, same with cans. Only when the shoe fits it feels right... 👌😎
 

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