[EffectAudio]

Hello Singapore!

It's Day 1 of CanJam SG! Head over to give PILGRIM:NOIR and our new solid core cables a try and let us know your thoughts!

 

[o0genesis0o]

You are probably referring to Crin's article about measurements Again, I can only speak from a personal experience of using my IEC-60318-4 compatible measurement setup and a few hundred measurements I collected where only some IEMs exhibit an 8kHz peak which I can hear and confirm by doing a sine-sweep.

I'm a strong believer in trusting your ears, not your eyes when listening and analyzing the sound. But I also like to take measurements afterward, to sync up and confirm what I'm hearing. I can't tell just by listening there is an exact "8kHz" peak. But I can tell there is a peak somewhere in mid-treble that irritates my ears The measurement and sine-sweep confirm the exact frequency that bothers me. Of course, not everybody hears the same, just like not everybody has the same ear sensitivity or even the ability to hear high frequencies the same. But to my ears, using either foam or hybrid foam/silicone eartips did help significantly with the planar IEMs I tested.

These planar drivers are indeed peaky around mid treble. I assumed that’s what create the “planar speed” illusion (or planar timbre, if one dislikes it). For me, fitting them deeper tend to get the job done, though for some models like the S12, I need to mod them with foams and filters.

 

[PixelSquish]

I'm obviously not going to disclose who, but there are many lead engineers at many manufacturers that simply don't believe cables can change the sound. As a result, they spec cables to cost or appearance (or other factors) that have nothing to do with any kind of intended sound.

So are these the same engineers that are designing the IEM to sound a certain way, with different drivers and tunings and crossovers? With what cable exactly? What cable do they test them with to make sure they sound right before given approval to be sold? Wouldn't they sell it with the cable that they heard the sound they wanted with?

For example, 64 audio said they tested multiple variations of the isobaric DD in the Volür before getting it right? What cable did they use to check that with?

 

[warrenpchi]

So are these the same engineers that are designing the IEM to sound a certain way, with different drivers and tunings and crossovers? With what cable exactly? What cable do they test them with to make sure they sound right before given approval to be sold? Wouldn't they sell it with the cable that they heard the sound they wanted with?

It doesn't matter. If they don't believe that cables can alter the sound, they use whatever is laying around in the labs. And since they, again, don't believe that cables can alter the sound, they leave it up to product managers to make the final call on packaged accessories.

 

[PixelSquish]

It doesn't matter. If they don't believe that cables can alter the sound, they use whatever is laying around in the labs. And since they, again, don't believe that cables can alter the sound, they leave it up to product managers to make the final call on packaged accessories.

But that doesn't really make sense right?

What cable do the engineers use to get the IM to sound right In the first place as they test and test it? They have to use a cable right?

Why wouldn't they sell it with that cable? You think they want to charge you 3 and 1/2 grand for an IEM and not sell you the cable that they heard it with in the first place?

Because basically you'd be calling them really crappy engineers.

 

[GiullianSN]

I’m not jealous at all of the people on CJ SG! (Lie)

So I’m enjoying the Legends around here.

So good to give a break on some piece of gear and come back later to be wowed again.

 

[phiemon]

But that doesn't really make sense right?

What cable do the engineers use to get the IM to sound right In the first place as they test and test it? They have to use a cable right?

Why wouldn't they sell it with that cable? You think they want to charge you 3 and 1/2 grand for an IEM and not sell you the cable that they heard it with in the first place?

Because basically you'd be calling them really crappy engineers.

I completely understand you, honestly. Your logic makes total sense to me and it's pretty hard to argue against it. I myself want the IEM with the stock cable to sound the way it was designed, and I want to respect the original intention. And I can imagine that each of us would want the best for our own product if we were developing it ourselves. In this respect, it would be rational to assume that the supplied cables are a perfect pairing.

If you ask me, that's true - at least in most cases. Because it's clear to me that cables can change the sound for better or worse, regardless of the ergonomics. I've had various TOTL cables myself in the past and the difference was simply very big, so big in fact that I ultimately decided not to use other cables than stocks on principle. The reason: read the first paragraph. But in the case of the Jewel, I also have to say that this cable is so miserable that any other cable could automatically be an upgrade.

If you get the chance, you should test and compare such a TOTL cable yourself. As long as you don't do this, there is probably little point in discussing it. And if you can't hear a difference, what can I say... lucky you, at least you're saving money and time. There are also people who claim to hear no difference between DACs (like Apple Dongle vs TOTL DAC) with sensitive IEMs. Sometimes I really wish I was one of those people so it would be easier.

 

[warrenpchi]

But that doesn't really make sense right?

What cable do the engineers use to get the IM to sound right In the first place as they test and test it? They have to use a cable right?

Why wouldn't they sell it with that cable? You think they want to charge you 3 and 1/2 grand for an IEM and not sell you the cable that they heard it with in the first place?

Because basically you'd be calling them really crappy engineers.

I'd say that makes perfect sense for them.

Once again, remembering that they do not believe cables can change the sound, they'll probably use something that facilitates the development process. It could be bulk Mogami, that they terminate themselves, sometimes for longer runs to reach diagnostic equipment. I would imagine that they probably make some effort to apply supplemental shielding for relatively high-RF environments. And maybe they'll additionally Techflex it to stand up to heavy abuse. Their needs are different from our needs as end users. Now, again, since they don't believe cables can change the sound, they leave it to product managers to spec the final cable based on ergonomics, terminators, colors, etc.

I myself want the IEM with the stock cable to sound the way it was designed, and I want to respect the original intention. And I can imagine that each of us would want the best for our own product if we were developing it ourselves. In this respect, it would be rational to assume that the supplied cables are a perfect pairing.

This is because you believe cables can change the sound, and so your approach would factor that into the equation. Again, what I'm trying to tell you is that there are plenty of engineers that do not believe that, at all.

 

[phiemon]

This is because you believe cables can change the sound, and so your approach would factor that into the equation. Again, what I'm trying to tell you is that there are plenty of engineers that do not believe that, at all.

Ah sorry, I had overlooked that.

That even engineers doesn't believe that, I think that's pretty blatant.

 

[Rolu]

A new Lotoo is coming….

This is what it is!

 

[FooFighter]

This is what it is!

So a giant Bluetooth Dongle?

 

[warrenpchi]

Ah sorry, I had overlooked that.

That even engineers doesn't believe that, I think that's pretty blatant.

Some do, some don't. To each their own right? I was just trying to point out that, in the cases of those who don't, the choice of what cable to include is simply not based on sound.

This is what it is!

A lossless (or hi-res) wireless transmitter for streaming or something?

 

[MatW]

This is what it is!

If they enabled Roon and/or Tidal connect like they were meant to you wouldn't need a strange device like that, I guess.

 

[PixelSquish]

I'd say that makes perfect sense for them.

Once again, remembering that they do not believe cables can change the sound, they'll probably use something that facilitates the development process. It could be bulk Mogami, that they terminate themselves, sometimes for longer runs to reach diagnostic equipment. I would imagine that they probably make some effort to apply supplemental shielding for relatively high-RF environments. And maybe they'll additionally Techflex it to stand up to heavy abuse. Their needs are different from our needs as end users. Now, again, since they don't believe cables can change the sound, they leave it to product managers to spec the final cable based on ergonomics, terminators, colors, etc.

I think we should ask the engineers. Of course not engineers that also work for cable companies As far as ergonomics and colors and terminations, I do believe the engineers don't care about that. But to say they could care less about any of the actual cable specs of what it is made out of? I'd love to ask the brands here that aren't associated with cable makers or do special editions with cable makers - those have a conflict of interest.

 

[Luke-]

Have you tried the Campfire Audio foamies or the
Symbio type F one's . Also have you considered using the Supermoon as a specialist type of IEM ? I don't know what your tastes are in music but I like it with modern pop and some classic rock for example the Rolling Stones sound really good to me . Hope this helps .

Thanks ill give it a go