[drftr]

That said, I think I seem to enjoy brighter sounds these days than before.

So a bright future for you it is...

I have the impression that the upper-mids/(low-)treble area is the area that is most problematic to tune. It seems to be THE dealbreaker for most of us. I wonder why at least experienced manufacturers can't manage this. Or do they not want to understand it?

Because contrary to you they understand that not everybody hears the same, wants the same, and that there's a market for more than The One IEM that is perfect for you. In fact, they realize it's the absolute opposite of what you suggest and they make wads of money because of it. You're exactly as critical as I am myself, and for that reason and our individual roles in this community I think we should focus more on what we appreciate in gear than on what we dislike in it. Unless we want to end up with a community of 1 of course...

drftr

 

[phiemon]

So a bright future for you it is...


Because contrary to you they understand that not everybody hears the same, wants the same, and that there's a market for more than The One IEM that is perfect for you. In fact, they realize it's the absolute opposite of what you suggest and they make wads of money because of it. You're exactly as critical as I am myself, and for that reason and our individual roles in this community I think we should focus more on what we appreciate in gear than on what we dislike in it. Unless we want to end up with a community of 1 of course...

drftr

Well, but the upper mids / treble seems to be a general problem - at least as I have observed here in the Watercooler. If I'm not mistaken, it's actually the number 1 dealbreaker. There was once a pool about it. My comment was not directly related to me, but I am certainly one of them.

 

[drftr]

Well, but the upper mids / treble seems to be a general problem - at least as I have observed here in the Watercooler. If I'm not mistaken, it's actually the number 1 dealbreaker. There was once a pool about it. My comment was not directly related to me, but I am certainly one of them.

Very few IEMs have been loved more than Odin though. And with many responding to this remark that they don't find this a problem at all exactly proves the point I tried to make.

drftr

 

[phiemon]

Very few IEMs have been loved more than Odin though. And with many responding to this remark that they don't find this a problem at all exactly proves the point I tried to make.

drftr

Very good point, and this certainly also applies to the Z1R, which I personally just couldn't hear because of the treble, which is really outside my limit range.

 

[Beh0lder]

Very few IEMs have been loved more than Odin though. And with many responding to this remark that they don't find this a problem at all exactly proves the point I tried to make.

drftr

Many people take it personal when one points out a dislike in a gear, most often owned by the offended (offendee? ) when it's just an exchange of taste. Many times I've heard the Hero or the KK described as too bright, but I like them themselves. Or I'm immune to treble. But I do hate the buzzing my coffee machine makes while idle :/

 

[MatW]

Many people take it personal when one points out a dislike in a gear, most often owned by the offended (offendee? ) when it's just an exchange of taste. Many times I've heard the Hero or the KK described as too bright, but I like them themselves. Or I'm immune to treble. But I do hate the buzzing my coffee machine makes while idle :/

I think the offense is taken when those negative opinions are stated as objective facts (and even more so when those opinions are a minority view). I think it’s good to emphasize once again that in this hobby there are as many opinions as headfiers, and only very few facts, when it comes to the perception of sound quality.

With regards to KK and Z1R, which I both own, yes they are bright, but the term itself is not negative. Bright is often read as too bright, which for my ears these IEMs are not, for most music, although the Z1R is borderline for me.

 

[drftr]

But I do hate the buzzing my coffee machine makes while idle :/

As an ultra-orthodox coffee bean killer I have done my fair share to get rid of the underlying problem just minutes ago. That'll teach 'em

drftr

 

[btwine]

Well, but the upper mids / treble seems to be a general problem - at least as I have observed here in the Watercooler. If I'm not mistaken, it's actually the number 1 dealbreaker. There was once a pool about it. My comment was not directly related to me, but I am certainly one of them.

It is definitely my #1 dealbreaker. I wish I could hear that part of the FR differently but at least this gives my wallet some guardrails.

Very few IEMs have been loved more than Odin though. And with many responding to this remark that they don't find this a problem at all exactly proves the point I tried to make.

Odin made my eyeballs bleed.

 

[phiemon]

It is definitely my #1 dealbreaker. I wish I could hear that part of the FR differently but at least this gives my wallet some guardrails.

Odin made my eyeballs bleed.

Yep, I feel the same way!

What do you think of Raven?

 

[twister6]

Thanks I appreciate the warm welcome. I've only been exploring iems for about a year and the most expensive thing I've heard is the Dunu SA6 Ultra. Sometimes when I read the posts here it's like everyone is talking of fine dining and I'm pounding my 20 piece McNuggets and nodding my head along to the conversation

Also, please keep in mind, this is one of the few "general" topic threads on head-fi with high end iem, cable, and dap discussions where people feel comfortable talking about mega kilobuck audio gear without being attacked or shamed for it. And the same people feel comfortable to carry on discussions about discovering budget gems without a pressure to justify 10x price scale up factor of the diminishing returns.

 

[listen4joy]

looking like a nice set.

 

[btwine]

Yep, I feel the same way!

What do you think of Raven?

Raven’s upper mids/lower treble are fine for me. Very occasionally sharp but the set’s excellent warmth and prominent low end counterbalances any upper end difficulties. Raven is such a great IEM in my book.

 

[phiemon]

Raven’s upper mids/lower treble are fine for me. Very occasionally sharp but the set’s excellent warmth and prominent low end counterbalances any upper end difficulties. Raven is such a great IEM in my book.

Great!

Which tips do you use?

 

[btwine]

Great!

Which tips do you use?

AZLA SednaEarfit Max. Those are my go-to for most IEMs since they fit my wonky ear canals the best. And I generally find the Max tips boost bass slightly and tighten/soften upper mids and treble just a bit.

 

[Tristy]

Raven’s upper mids/lower treble are fine for me. Very occasionally sharp but the set’s excellent warmth and prominent low end counterbalances any upper end difficulties. Raven is such a great IEM in my book.

Have you heard Fei Wan? Curious to how that compares to Raven.