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Feb 4, 2024 at 1:10 AM Post #80,596 of 106,568
Tis another good night.

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My led strip was on the fritz for a few weeks (turned on the middle of the night on strobe among other things) and I had to disconnect it. Sister brought the original controller back and seems to have done the trick. Plus remote actually works.

Giving the Fitear EST a go while I wait for Raven 2 to finish it's flight through the 9 realms. Ofc I have 2 pin adapters on the way so I can cable roll it and try on
n the 4.4. But my first time using an iem in 3.5, since 2021 testing the ESR MKII in a McDonalds with @riverground

Much thanks to @Kiats for recommending I try this. It's been so long since I've just sat back and enjoyed the music.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 1:42 AM Post #80,598 of 106,568
I posted a video on this but just wanted to share for Jewel owners, that the Divinus Velvet tips are magic with the Jewel. Of course, synergy is subject to all the components in the chain, so I should add that I am driving the Jewel with a Sony WM1ZM2 with DSD mode switched on, and the cable is from Ear Audio, that I spoke about earlier.

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The outcome is a Jewel that sounds more articulate and clear in the midrange, a treble that is more present especially in the midtreble region, and a bass that sounds fuller and more memorable.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 1:47 AM Post #80,599 of 106,568
Well this came across my desk....

Canpur 54e 5BA 4EST

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This is a true all rounder. It plays back everything I have thrown at it with ease. It is very musical and just enough tech to keep one from hyper focusing on this or that, instead this is about sitting back, closing the eyes and enjoying the music which IMO is what this hobby is all about.

Bass is elastic as Canpur states and quite tactile. yes this is BA bass but who freaking cares when it sounds this good. Mids are clear, textured and plays in line with the rest. I would consider this a very fun W shape tuning from listening, as I have not seen a graph. The treble extends and resolves so well. This is some of the best treble I have heard personally. Cymbal hits and decays in what I hear as very natural. The sound stage is wide, with great depth. Imaging is accurate, separation is very good. This set handles fast metal with zero congestion. I am very much enjoying this set and considering a custom at some point. This brand is fairly new and is hitting it out of the park. I have their 622b custom on order and it should arrive in the next few weeks. I think they will be very complimentary tunings. I am anxious to compare once 622 arrives.

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Thanks for reading. I hope more people get to hear this set and more Canpur! Have a wonderful weekend Cooler Friends. Over and out! :peace:

Tried these. Bass was great for a BA, but if you've heard good DD bass, you can instantly recognize what they are missing.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 3:16 AM Post #80,600 of 106,568
The honeymoon phase for Kinera Verdandi is almost over after spending nearly 3 weeks with them. I have been comparing Verdandi and my favorite all-rounder, Noble Audio Kublai Khan. It's so surprising to find that these two sound so similar.

Driver Config:
Verdandi: 2 Knowles BA + 2 Sonion EST + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver
Kublai Khan: 4 Knowles BA + 1 Piezo Tweeter + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver

Sources: Lotoo Paw Gold Touch and Astell&Kern SP3000


The bass texture is almost identical on these two. KK may have an edge with extended subbass (just by a very small margin). The similar configuration for the lows is producing similar results. DD driver on KK is 10mm vs. 6mm on Verdandi. The mids on these two have almost equal sweetness and richness. Mids on Verdandi are a bit more upfront and sweeter (again by a very small margin). The energy in treble is almost identical too. On the technical front, the headstage on Verdandi may have an edge, but we cannot really decide if it's better than Kublai. Verdandi may have an edge in instrument separation. On a few tracks, I do feel Verdandi sounds a bit more open and spacious.

I cannot decide who the clear winner is. I love Kubali Khan a lot, as it is a great all-rounder which plays everything quite well. Verdandi ($1200) achieving this at a price half of KK ($2500) is just unbelievable. I really hope to see a few more people putting their impressions, and I am more interested in a comparison with KK to see what others think.


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I had a feeling that this might be your conclusion. Verdandi really surprised me quite a bit.

The price to performance of this IEM is unbelievable. The cable, tips, case and beautiful shells.

As of now, I don't see any competition for Verdandi at this price, with the exception of Singularity which ofcourse has the edge in sub-bass, mids and timbre due to the single DD.

Despite that, I am still unable to hold either above the other.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 3:20 AM Post #80,601 of 106,568
The honeymoon phase for Kinera Verdandi is almost over after spending nearly 3 weeks with them. I have been comparing Verdandi and my favorite all-rounder, Noble Audio Kublai Khan. It's so surprising to find that these two sound so similar.

Driver Config:
Verdandi: 2 Knowles BA + 2 Sonion EST + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver
Kublai Khan: 4 Knowles BA + 1 Piezo Tweeter + 1 DD + 1 Bone Conduction Driver

Sources: Lotoo Paw Gold Touch and Astell&Kern SP3000


The bass texture is almost identical on these two. KK may have an edge with extended subbass (just by a very small margin). The similar configuration for the lows is producing similar results. DD driver on KK is 10mm vs. 6mm on Verdandi. The mids on these two have almost equal sweetness and richness. Mids on Verdandi are a bit more upfront and sweeter (again by a very small margin). The energy in treble is almost identical too. On the technical front, the headstage on Verdandi may have an edge, but we cannot really decide if it's better than Kublai. Verdandi may have an edge in instrument separation. On a few tracks, I do feel Verdandi sounds a bit more open and spacious.

I cannot decide who the clear winner is. I love Kubali Khan a lot, as it is a great all-rounder which plays everything quite well. Verdandi ($1200) achieving this at a price half of KK ($2500) is just unbelievable. I really hope to see a few more people putting their impressions, and I am more interested in a comparison with KK to see what others think.


The hype from you and some other friends forced me to order 🫣
Will be my first Kinera, need some patience as it won't be shipped before the Spring Festival is over.

Must say they have some unique and beautiful shells, did end up go for the black variant.

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Feb 4, 2024 at 3:22 AM Post #80,602 of 106,568
The hype from you and some other friends forced me to order 🫣
Will be my first Kinera, need some patience as it won't be shipped before the Spring Festival is over.

Must say they have some unique and beautiful shell, did end up go for the black variant.

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I am sure that you will be pleasantly surprised. The black shells look gorgeous 😍
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 3:25 AM Post #80,603 of 106,568
And the colour pairing is 💋
Dang! Jeff is the first landing kisses from the misses!

Let's go home guys...

just a DD
I beg your pardon, sir?!

I am very much enjoying this set and considering a custom at some point.
There was a time I thought you'd be just fine when you told me you'd seen it and would stop buying more than 2 UIEMs.

Enter CIEMs. 🙄

I think Canpur Audio should have its own website now
And therefore they have.

As far as I know, pinna gain is a boost between 1-3kHz that’s given to IEMs, because they produce sound directly in the inner ear. Headphones and speakers produce sound from outside our ears, and sound waves that pass through our outer ear are automatically given that pinna gain. Because IEMs are deep-insert devices that bypass the outer ear, they have to have that pinna gain tuned into them, so they sound “normal.” That’s as much as I know about it.
@btwine To hear what pinna gain is doing listen to a conversation, music, whatever, then cup your hands behind your ears. Certain frequencies become louder than others because some are amplified and others damped by your hands. Now think what IEMs would need to do to reach that same effect.

The Twister6 comparison of MM vs AP aligns very closely to what I heard. That article is worth a read if you haven’t read it already.
A @twister6 article that is worth a read?

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Feb 4, 2024 at 3:40 AM Post #80,604 of 106,568
2023 was the year that put Singapore at the top of the IEM game.

Subtonic Storm
Canpur 622B
FATfreq Grand Maestro
Nightjar Singularity
Symphonium Crimson
Effect Audio Code / Fusion 1
Eletech Ode to Laura

Canpur is not from SG I don't think. I would agree 2023 put SG on the map in a big way. I don't think any one country or region can claim to be "at the top" above all others. This hobby is full of many vast but fundamentally equal mountain tops spanning the globe.

I periodically see this expression and don’t understand it, despite searching around. What is “pinna gain” and how does it affect sound quality?

I think it's just that your outter ear (IE., pinna) acts as a natural amphitheater and affects sound coming into your ears whereas with IEMs, which are jammed right into your earholes, this is bypassed and needs to be compensated for...or something.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 3:43 AM Post #80,605 of 106,568
The hype from you and some other friends forced me to order 🫣
Will be my first Kinera, need some patience as it won't be shipped before the Spring Festival is over.

Must say they have some unique and beautiful shells, did end up go for the black variant.
Wow, that's great to hear. I am sure you will like it, brother. The black one is really beautiful. It's hard to tell which is more beautiful. I was not even aware of it when I bought the blue one.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 4:07 AM Post #80,606 of 106,568
""Cross-posting here as I really liked this funny impressions turned out. :P""



Alright my friends! Sunday evening is time for some fun impressions... I hope you like it. :)


Code 24c: Purple Rain!



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How can I put this? It's the nicest looking cable I had in some time. Not boring black, Copper, Silver looking cables…Also not the loud blue C24. I never thought I would like so much a purple piece of gear. Well, some might think it's a tad ostentatious, this is like an audio equivalent of a flamboyant guitarist shredding in spandex. But hey… if you're going to rock a song called Purple Rain…you better make an entrance.

If you had a C23 you know what the feeling is when hanging a power cable to your IEM. C24c sits somewhere between C23 hard rock like Metallica and the not so hard C24. It's thinner and more flexible… Thanks to the new Trio-Flex tech. It does make a welcomed difference in the ergonomics, but also makes it a "Not-C23" sounding cable. Trade-offs forever.

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Does the sound signature make you sing in the rain?

Now, onto the juicy part: how does this purple wonder sound? First, just like Deep Purple wasn't solely Ritchie Blackmore's show, the Code 24C won't magically transform your IEMs into sonic legend. But it has its own tricks up its purple sleeve. Synergy is not only on a receipt for a great rock band, but also for a great audio experience.

Compared to the Code 24, the Code 24C emphasizes mid-bass frequencies, adding punch and warmth to music. This can be appealing for genres like rock and hip-hop. While it delivers a punchy mid-bass, the sub-bass extension seems less emphasized compared to the Code 24, potentially impacting the depth and rumble of heavier basslines. That's probably one of the reasons I preferred C24c with A12t and C24 with LX.

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Not my preferred kind of music, but female vocals and certain instruments might gain a touch of presence compared to the more balanced presentation of the Code 24. This could be a positive or negative depending on your preference. Also making the sound signature more intimate and narrower soundstage. Again, another reason why it went better with A12t which already have a more focused soundstage, therefore C24c just tuned that, instead of changing the IEM signature.

The treble is less prominent in the Code 24C compared to the Code 24, resulting in a smoother and less bright overall sound. Less "in-your-face” if you might. That helps tame a bit those high hats on classic rock, but doesn't take off that Prince's shinny purple hat, pure swag.

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As usual…some thematic songs I used to check this eye-catching cable.

Prince - Purple Rain: The opening notes shimmer with newfound clarity, while the guitar solo cuts through the mix with a intensity. Prince's vocals, already brimming with emotion, gain added depth and presence, drawing you deeper into the purple rain. It helps reducing the grainy cymbals on some IEMs.

Muse - Starlight: The opening synth arpeggios sparkle with celestial brilliance, while Matt Bellamy's soaring vocals strike through the dense instrumentation. The Code 24C's mid-bass emphasis adds weight to the kick drum and electronic effects, propelling the song forward while driving energy to keep kicking your feet.

Smoke on the Water - Deep Purple : Ritchie Blackmore's legendary riff cuts through the mix with razor-sharp precision, each note distinct and defined. Ian Gillan's vocals retain their trademark power, but some might find the overall presentation a tad brighter than expected. Imagine "Smoke on the Water" performed under a vibrant nebula, visually stunning but perhaps lacking the raw energy of the original recording.

Purple Haze - Jimi "fkn" Hendrix: The opening riff explodes with smooth clarity, each note biting interlinked and around the head like a psychedelic kaleidoscope. Hendrix's vocals gain a touch of warmth, adding a raw emotion that pulls you deeper into the purple haze.

Fear of the Dark - Iron Maiden: Not a purple themed song, but who's not afraid of the dark?... The galloping bassline pulsates clearly on the background, setting the stage for Bruce Dickinson's soaring vocals, helped a bit by the mid skewed signature of this cable. The overall presentation is smoothly clear and engaging, but the Code 24C's mid-bass focus might overshadow some of the intricate guitar nuances and angry cymbal/hats hits.


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Starlight's final Riffs:


So, is the Code 24C a groundbreaking sonic revolution like Deep Purple's impact on rock music? Not quite. It's a well-built, good-looking cable that adds warmth, clarity, and punch to your music, particularly in the mid-bass and upper mids. However, it might not be your cup of tea if you crave a perfectly neutral sound or prioritize sub-bass over everything else, C24 would be closer to what you're looking.

It's not for everyone, just like Prince wasn't everyone's favourite artist, not even mine. But I can't deny it's importance to the music, like what EA is doing with reinventing themselves with these "non-braided" collection.

Ultimately, the Code 24C is a solid mid-priced option ($499) for those who value both sonics and aesthetics, embracing a bold departure from the conventional black cable norm. Remember, just like exploring the galaxy, sonic preferences are subjective. So, thanks for embarking with me on this little listening odyssey. I think it sits quite well in the price/performance position and Code 24c definitely deserves a try.

All in all, I never thought I would like this kind of cable colours, but…damn… This looks good. #MorePurpleGear :)
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 4:59 AM Post #80,609 of 106,568
Canpur is not from SG I don't think. I would agree 2023 put SG on the map in a big way. I don't think any one country or region can claim to be "at the top" above all others. This hobby is full of many vast but fundamentally equal mountain tops spanning the globe.
I'll never forget the mid-2010's when Singapore were solely represented by Jomo, Effect and AAW. Jomo, especially, made their way to tons of top 10 lists with the Samba and Flamenco. It's cool to see more brands come out and follow suit. I've always joked that Singaporean startups have market research essentially done for them, considering the amount of audiophiles and audiophile brands there in such a small space.
 
Feb 4, 2024 at 5:22 AM Post #80,610 of 106,568
I'll never forget the mid-2010's when Singapore were solely represented by Jomo, Effect and AAW. Jomo, especially, made their way to tons of top 10 lists with the Samba and Flamenco. It's cool to see more brands come out and follow suit. I've always joked that Singaporean startups have market research essentially done for them, considering the amount of audiophiles and audiophile brands there in such a small space.
Lets not forget Null-audio, which I think are linked to AAW somehow. I remember at that time AAW was producing some good iem, but before there was EA, we had Null audio. They had one cable that I really wanted to buy, it was some sort solid gold/silver core. It was truly a limited run, I think half of the entire cable wheel was sold in Japan for Fitear IEM user.
For he life of me, I can't remember what that cable was called, it has a black mesh cover.
 

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