[dmphile]

Long weekend off to a great start

Lucky you. We still have to work on Monday.

 

[KuroKitsu]

@KuroKitsu How's the EVO? It's another IEM I'm interested in trying out. Reviews and thoughts from other owners piqued my interest.

I think the review will be undergoing a revision similar to the Odin.

I'm still loving the things I gushed about during my demo at HFS, but I'm also discovering more things to like about.

I didn't even bother with the Genesis out of the box and immediately threw my trusted PPH Cipher on the Evo, since there were a couple things that I didn't like that I attributed to cable synergy during the first demo.

1. I was super worried about requiring to toggle high gain on the WM1A for the Evo because the treble sparkle was muted. I had no such issues this time. The only difference being volume, the treble response was identical.

2. Evo was also a bit warm and dark. Again, swapping from Genesis really reduced that. It might have helped that also I was mostly listening to the A12t prior being a much smaller shift from the Odin.

3. The WX's most prominent effects are in the bass frequencies and are incredibly easy to pick up. It's the mids and treble where it takes a bit of time to appreciate the effects. The soundstage shape is eerily similar to what I heard on the MEST but at a much higher level of technicality.

 

[KuroKitsu]

Long weekend off to a great start

Would you like to exchange your premier for ours?

Lucky you. We still have to work on Monday.

Our entire PEI office is off, Ontario office is bummed, but we have a 4 day work week so every week is a long weekend for us.

 

[dmphile]

I think the review will be undergoing a revision similar to the Odin.

I'm still loving the things I gushed about during my demo at HFS, but I'm also discovering more things to like about.

I didn't even bother with the Genesis out of the box and immediately threw my trusted PPH Cipher on the Evo, since there were a couple things that I didn't like that I attributed to cable synergy during the first demo.

1. I was super worried about requiring to toggle high gain on the WM1A for the Evo because the treble sparkle was muted. I had no such issues this time. The only difference being volume, the treble response was identical.

2. Evo was also a bit warm and dark. Again, swapping from Genesis really reduced that. It might have helped that also I was mostly listening to the A12t prior being a much smaller shift from the Odin.

3. The WX's most prominent effects are in the bass frequencies and are incredibly easy to pick up. It's the mids and treble where it takes a bit of time to appreciate the effects. The soundstage shape is eerily similar to what I heard on the MEST but at a much higher level of technicality.

Wonder if Charles still has the EVO for demo. It's the only other IEM within a reasonable price that I can obtain if it manages to 'move me' Indigo is quite good but I still feel like it's missing something...or maybe it's giving me too much of something. Maybe its the upper regions that come in too hot/spicy on certain tracks.

Would you like to exchange your premier for ours?

Our entire PEI office is off, Ontario office is bummed, but we have a 4 day work week so every week is a long weekend for us.

LOL - Can the Vancouver Premier gulp a bee like a boss?

 

[SteveK27]

I think the review will be undergoing a revision similar to the Odin.

I'm still loving the things I gushed about during my demo at HFS, but I'm also discovering more things to like about.

I didn't even bother with the Genesis out of the box and immediately threw my trusted PPH Cipher on the Evo, since there were a couple things that I didn't like that I attributed to cable synergy during the first demo.

1. I was super worried about requiring to toggle high gain on the WM1A for the Evo because the treble sparkle was muted. I had no such issues this time. The only difference being volume, the treble response was identical.

2. Evo was also a bit warm and dark. Again, swapping from Genesis really reduced that. It might have helped that also I was mostly listening to the A12t prior being a much smaller shift from the Odin.

3. The WX's most prominent effects are in the bass frequencies and are incredibly easy to pick up. It's the mids and treble where it takes a bit of time to appreciate the effects. The soundstage shape is eerily similar to what I heard on the MEST but at a much higher level of technicality.

This is well put together and in line with my experience of the EVO.

Although I no longer have it in hand anymore, I can concur that WX's effects are most prominent in the bass range. It's as if it comes from another dimension and adds another layer of depth.

EVO shares a lot of similarity with the Odin and they sound like they've originated from the same DNA. The upper midrange sounds very similar to each other, with the EVO sounding a bit more tamed in comparison.

Treble did not sound as dark as others have mentioned to my ears. It still held great extension that I didn't find myself seeking details that may have been lost switching from my Odin to Evo.

Im really excited to hear what the new Odyssey has in store, as I've seen the potential of weapon X in Evo

 

[efftee]

Dear Friends, below you will find my impressions of the Orpheus vs the Mighty Centurion. Enjoy!



I got the chance to borrow the Centurion from my friend @efftee - thanks bud! I’ve always wanted to hear this beast. After reading a lot, it seemed the only cable that approached - or matched - the micro details and abilities of the Orpheus, albeit with a different tuning. After two intensive days of non stop listening I am ready to share my thoughts. All testing was done with my LP6 Ti AE and N8ii with the Jewel.





Cosmetically they are about as far apart as possible. The Orphy is pure batman, black and dark blue with that badass shielding too. It’s a lot thicker, heavier, and more cumbersome. The Cent is the same size as Leonidas Octa, or for that matter any 8 wire octa cable with a nice soft pliable feel. It’s way lighter, more flexible and easier to move around. No surprises there. One gripe I have with the Cent is those excessively thick ear hooks. When did EA start using this ultra thick stuff? That being said, it holds the cable nicely around your ears, but I find it really annoying. Also EA’s QC needs work, the logo on one of the 2 pin connectors doesn’t face out like it should - ridiculous for a $4000 cable. Besides that the rest of the cable is supple and lovely.

I will be the first to say that I prefer the Orpheus look by a large margin. I know, weird, but I prefer the understated and less is more approach to design. Black and black is always my favorite color combo, the bling look of all the Asian cable makers is always a bit too much for me, but that’s just me. Most will prefer the Cent I’m sure.

Then the sound. The first moment I plugged in the Cent I was surprised that the differences between the two of them aren’t as far apart as I had imagined. Having owned the Code 51 for a while I can say that the Cent is definitely the same blood line, but mixing in some of the Horus X type of high end and a whole step up in just about everything. It’s very dynamic and very powerful sounding, something I was not expecting. I had in my mind some kind of delicate sound, for whatever reason, and instead I was greeted with a thunderous approach to my music library. It’s fast, articulate, and thick enough to satisfy most. The bass quantity is very neutral but there is tons of rumble, impact, texture and control. The bass really has this tight spanky feeling to it, and growls when called for. Orphy is more mid bass oriented, Cent is even all the way down, with less quantity. Orpheus bass is killer, fast and fat, very analog and with tons of control. It has more control perhaps by a hair, it’s just so well focused and presented. I think for my preferences the Orphy has the Cent beat here, but I do like a bit more thump.





Cent mids are more revealing and brighter than Orphy, and some of the glorious weight and oomph of the Orphy is lost in the process. Lower mids are far more neutral on Cent, while the Orpheus famous lower mid weight is there in spades. Micro details in the mids are very similar. While the Cent goes for pure resolution, the Orpheus is more musical here, withtout sacrificing any resolution. The Cent mids are again more neutral, also in placement, while the Orphy has them more forward, more romantic, while also being crystal clear. The upper mids are more revealing and more prominent on the Cent which for the Jewel isn’t doing it any favors in my book, but some may prefer the more revealing and heightened energy here with the Jewel. YMMV, they both have great mids in slightly different ways. Orpheus mids have the ultra spacious sound, which for a thick cable never ceases to amaze me. There is a sense of magic that the Orpheus exhibits here that, in my opinion, the Cent doesn’t. It has resolution in spades, but the magic just isn’t there, especially for vocals and guitars. It makes up for it is clear bell like tones, but less musical and more analytical. The Vent isn’t vreajingly analytical, this is simply by comparison. Winner for me goes to Orpheus again here.

The biggest difference is in the way the higher registers are portrayed, and where I might prefer the Cent. While the Orphy has a rolled off super analog feel to the treble, the Cent goes all the way up uninhibited. There is more air, more sparkle. There is more bite up top too - almost to a fault for my tastes. While the upper end is glorious on the Cent, it can be somewhat overbearing with the detailed nature of the Jewel. I could also be hearing the lower treble, upper mid peak that I spoke about before, influencing my feelings about the treble. Maybe. I will say that I do prefer the air and space that the Cent gives up, the wispy wondrous sparkles of floating gold, but I would personally take a bit of the bite out and let it be just airy. For those that prefer an energetic top end, the Cent may be one of the best I’ve heard. The Orpheus top end isn’t bad at all, it’s just more analog and sometimes feels rolled off more than it needs to be, resulting in a feeling that every IEM I pair it with has identical top end. But with the Jewel I love the Orphy top end on the right source. I will give this one to the Centurion. That effortless high end is breathtaking really, I will give EA that much for sure.




Stage wise they are very similar, large large large. The Cent will feel bigger because of the extra air up top, more vertical for sure, but the mid range stage size is nearly identical to me. They will both leave no-one wanting here. The Orpheus is thicker but has a very wide open mid range, with the slightly smaller vertical feeling. The Cent is again, more neutral and will therefore feel bigger when I don’t think it actually is. This one is closer to a tie, but I will give it to the Centurion again here.


For those keeping track the score is 2/2.


Pairing plays a lot into my impressions. For example, with Jewel and N8ii I prefer the Orpheus hands down. The N8ii can lean on the cold side, and it has plenty of sparkle already. I got a bit of a glass shards feeling with the Cent, N8ii and Jewel on some of my bright modern mastered tracks, and the Orpheus seems a better match there, adding a bit of warmth and fuller bodied forward mids. Also, some extra kick and energy in the mid bass gets tracks moving on the more neutral N8ii. With the LP6 it’s much closer. The LP6 has its own rolled off treble, so it can be “too much of a good thing” added together with the Orpheus. Only on certain tracks I yearn for a bit more air, not always, but it does come. Also the LP6 has a featured lower mids/ mid bass and this again can be overdone as the Orpheus has the same. The LP6 is already warm, so we’re kind of tripling down here with the warm, mid bass and rolled off highs. This is actually the main reason I wanted to hear the Cent, to see if it would address this situation. So does it? Kinda. Yes the Cent has more air, and less lower mids and mid bass, but it’s not so simple. On some tracks I prefer the Cent, but largely I still prefer the more romantic and analog presentation of the Orpheus. Vocal are to die for with this combo. Guitars and instruments are portrayed very lifelike, instead of the more Hi-Fi sounding Centurion. Then there is the magic quality of the Orpheus that I still cannot quite describe. It’s there, it’s amazing, not sure what else to say there. If you have the opportunity to hear it for yourself, please do. Especially the mids, best I’ve ever heard paired with the Jewel. The way the mids are forward and yet super open and spread out is something that never ceases to amaze me each time.





So which do I prefer? I personally will be sticking with my Orpheus. That weight, that power, that control, mixed with the analog warmth and beauty. I love it. Part of that decision is influenced heavily by the fact that I already own it. Given the chance to choose other or the other from the get-go, the decision becomes harder. I am more of an analog guy, that also tilts my perspective. And I will be honest and say that I prefer the PW look, and while cosmetics shouldn’t be a big part of your sonic decision making, I have a hard time with the idea of being about town with a shiny cable that looks more like jewelry than a cable. The PW oozes R&D to me, the costs while atrocious, show they spent a lot of time developing the sound, and less trying to make it beautiful. Just my $.02m, I imagine that many will disagree with me there.








So there you have it, the battle of two of the most expensive cables known to man. Two days of constant jamming out to every test track on AB loops for hours, plus all my albums I felt in the moment to just get lost in the music. How do I feel? Honestly, I wish there was a cable that was somewhere in the middle of the two, no surprises there. I always wants a little of this one, a little of that one, it’s impossible to find the perfect anything. If there was an Orpheus style analog sound, with a bit more air up top and slightly less mid bass heavy leanings that didn’t lose the Orphy magic I would be sold. Or a Centurion that had less bit up top, and more bass, with a slightly more analog feel. Two cables that come to mind for the combo these two could be the Chiron, and the First Times Shielding. I did have a FT but I never felt it quite encapsulated that magic, perhaps the shielding versions carries more of that. The Centurion is an amazing cable, and I am certainly happy to have heard it, and I did prefer it sometimes. Your tastes/preferences, + YMMV as always.

For anyone looking for a more revealing, brighter, ultra micro-detailed flagship and has money to burn, the Centurion is the one to get. If you’re looking for a more musical, mid featured sound, with crazy good bass then the Orpheus is what you should get. Either way, they’re both amazing.

Damn, great pics, Tokpa, your lenses are great! My human eyes couldn't notice the plastic wrappers were still on!

 

[drftr]

On a road trip today in Fuerteventura - for those not familiar, an island in the Canary Islands, off the coast of Morocco. Some really beautiful beaches down on the south coast where we drove to today...

Will you make it to Tenerife as well? It has Spain's tallest mountain. Beautiful.

Nice! Build quality also looks very nice, not too different from Jewel. And the shape reminds me of InEar Prophile 8 I used to own.

I had the Prophile 8 very high on my demo list but couldn't find any place in Eastern Asia that had it. Care to share your thoughts on its current place in the market as it's an oldie?

drftr

 

[audio123]

Apart from FitEar IEMs which I know are not as easily accessible to those outside of Asia, these are my top 3 IEMs this year - Jewel, Viking & Traillii. Honourable mentions: Supermoon, GT600

 

[normie610]

I had the Prophile 8 very high on my demo list but couldn't find any place in Eastern Asia that had it. Care to share your thoughts on its current place in the market as it's an oldie?

There used to be one dealer in Jakarta that carries InEar, but I’m afraid he has closed down his shop due to pandemic. From memory, PP8 has a neutral reference tuning and perhaps there’s some similarities with IER-M9. Bass is neutral, it’s there but no excessive mid-bass thump or sub-bass rumble. Midrange is better for female vocals and treble is detailed enough. Overall a neutral sound which can be a bit laid-back depending on the source (back then I used WM1Z as my source).

 

[Natesdailies]

Apart from FitEar IEMs which I know are not as easily accessible to those outside of Asia, these are my top 3 IEMs this year - Jewel, Viking & Traillii. Honourable mentions: Supermoon, GT600

Did you get to try Storm, possibly Odyssey?

 

[drftr]

There used to be one dealer in Jakarta that carries InEar, but I’m afraid he has closed down his shop due to pandemic. From memory, PP8 has a neutral reference tuning and perhaps there’s some similarities with IER-M9. Bass is neutral, it’s there but no excessive mid-bass thump or sub-bass rumble. Midrange is better for female vocals and treble is detailed enough. Overall a neutral sound which can be a bit laid-back depending on the source (back then I used WM1Z as my source).

Tnx... Yeah, I tried to email them and while the email didn't bounce I didn't get a response either. But since their website is out of business I take it my message has ended up somewhere in space.

Then there's ConnectIT in Singapore whose website never opens in whatever browser I use. Not exactly what I would expect from a Singaporean company as it's not exactly dark Africa.

I also tried Zounds in Seoul who seem to feature the PromissionX too but I have yet to receive any response to queries sent out to shops in Seoul; possibly caused by the language barrier. Guess there's only one way to find out then...

drftr

 

[Scubadevils]

Will you make it to Tenerife as well? It has Spain's tallest mountain. Beautiful.

Not this time but we've been before alright, beautiful island too. We've been coming to the islands for about 20 years now, Fuerteventura the most and we'll most likely retire here - perfect climate!

 

[Scubadevils]

Early morning music on Twilight, really beautiful modern classical. Twilight fast becoming the top choice single DD for this genre.

 

[maegnificant]

Finally, after they were lying around at customs for eight days, (only took them four from Honk Kong to Germany) I have received my JVC Spiraldot ++. Had to pay a stupid fee for them, because german customs and postage is a pain in the butt.

Now I only need my 4.4mm dongle and I can use them with the Indigo... we'll see how long that takes. I bought another replacement from ISN and I will also get a new Moondrop Dawn, since the old one broke.

Let's see which one arrives first! so far my other IEM's got to work a little more to balance the temporary loss of the Indigo. They do an excellent job though

Bought a lot of new music which I still have to listen to, here is one that I just finished:




Had this on my list for a while, since Weedie also plays with Ghost Note and got many of them to play on this record. It was worth it. Great, fun record.

Always a pleasure to read through all the comments here

Have a good weekend y,all!

 

[WilliamBlake]

Greetings friends from an incredible place