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May 7, 2025 at 10:05 AM Post #106,651 of 107,471
Cross-posted from Dita Project 71 thread.

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Time for my yearly cleaning of the original P71 with Autosol. Hit by a wave of nostalgia and decided to have a good long listen to them.

They've been with me since 2019, and 6 years owning the same IEMs is rare in this hobby. It's an extremely likeable signature. Remembered the first time I listened to them in Canjam Singapore 2019 and was totally enamoured by the presentation. The tone is superbly coherent and awash with an analogue, lush tuning, immersive as hell, and set against a wide soundstage.

Bass is subbass dominant, so it's not shy in bringing the rumble, and the thick notes do tend to linger. Midbass is gentler and flatter, bringing some levelness and preventing congestion. Utterly free of bloat or bleed, allowing the mids to shine.

The mids are the showstoppers. Arresting, timbre-correct, at times wistful and dreamy, at times syrupy and full of emotion, organic and lush, in shades of sepia and amber. Vocals, especially female, are lovely and haunting. I love every second of it.

The treble is airy, extended, most times clear and detailed, yet gentle to the ears. Some parts of the treble seem subdued to prevent harshness but owing to this some edges are blunted. It's consistent with the analog-sounding, nostalgia-inducing theme of Project 71, making you think of the choices you made while life relentlessly marches by.

Soundstage is wider then deep, and height is not too obvious. Imaging is good, quite precise, you get the mental image of sitting in the front row of a performance. But it falls short of projecting a holographic, 3D experience.

Where does it stand in today's world of multi-driver quadbrids? Technically it's a step or two behind, especially in terms of imaging, stage size, prat and absolute resolution. But there's no faulting a good tuning. I'd be proud to take this for a spin even today. In fact, I bought Project 71 knowing one day it'll make way for an all-conquering, all-powerful flagship single DD.

A8000 was too intense, FW10000 was good but not that much better than P71, and Luna was missing a good chunk of the subbass.

So here we are today. P71 still standing strong.
 
May 7, 2025 at 11:35 AM Post #106,653 of 107,471
Hi all, first time posting here but I've been reading along for a while now and really enjoying all the insights shared. I'm hoping to get a recommendation for iems to consider next. I have a couple of older ciems (Heir audio 4a, UM merlin, noble 5SLA) but don't really use them as the audio quality has increased a lot in recent years. I also have the Noble Jade and Ronin. I love both of these.

For my next iem I was looking for another fun sounding set to complement the Ronin - an improved Jade I suppose. I'm intrigued by BCD having never heard a set with this driver. I've been considering the Noble Onyx (I do seem quite tied to Wizards creations haha) and CFA Clara (I know it doesn't have BCD but the reviews sound like an item I'd like). I've also seen good reviews of the BGVP Phantom SE but there are no distributors in the UK and I'm nervous about importing through AliExpress.

Is there anything else you think I should consider. I'm looking at max of around £2.5k. Many thanks 🙏🏻 BTW my source is A&K SP3kT.
If you are intrigued by fun sounding BCDs you can give a try to the legion, and even the Legend Evo comes to mind
 
May 7, 2025 at 1:32 PM Post #106,656 of 107,471
Man this song sounds stupid good on the pmg apx se, goosebumps 🪿


If you haven't already, check out the other tracks in the Season 14 album. One of the best seasons IMO.
 
May 7, 2025 at 1:50 PM Post #106,657 of 107,471
May 7, 2025 at 3:30 PM Post #106,659 of 107,471
Just shared a handful of pictures and early sound observations of the Mefisto (the final production tuning) in the corresponding Forte Ears thread for anybody interested.

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May 7, 2025 at 4:23 PM Post #106,660 of 107,471
Somebody please please release me from my suffering...

I've spent way over 20 hours to EQ the treble of Maven II down to a level I like. There's a vast peak "somewhere" in the sibilance region that makes especially S sounds almost unbearable for me when I focus on it, which is very hard not to do. And I'm wondering whether I'm really fighting a frequency or the timbre. The peaks come across as really metallic, and that's at fantastic recordings like Peter Gabriel's So ("Red Rain"), Fleetwood Mac's Rumours ("Don't Stop"), et cetera.

And it doesn't make sense to trim the peak down with PMEQ to -4 dB as it will completely change everything else that sounds great without any EQ.

Is this my tinnitus amplifying anything between 6 kHz and 8 kHz? Am I allergic to EST treble? Is it bad luck and should I look for an IEM that sounds exactly like Maven II without that peak? How many years will that take? I thought I finally found her.

Driving me nuts... 🥵

drftr
 
May 7, 2025 at 4:37 PM Post #106,661 of 107,471
Somebody please please release me from my suffering...

I've spent way over 20 hours to EQ the treble of Maven II down to a level I like. There's a vast peak "somewhere" in the sibilance region that makes especially S sounds almost unbearable for me when I focus on it, which is very hard not to do. And I'm wondering whether I'm really fighting a frequency or the timbre. The peaks come across as really metallic, and that's at fantastic recordings like Peter Gabriel's So ("Red Rain"), Fleetwood Mac's Rumours ("Don't Stop"), et cetera.

And it doesn't make sense to trim the peak down with PMEQ to -4 dB as it will completely change everything else that sounds great without any EQ.

Is this my tinnitus amplifying anything between 6 kHz and 8 kHz? Am I allergic to EST treble? Is it bad luck and should I look for an IEM that sounds exactly like Maven II without that peak? How many years will that take? I thought I finally found her.

Driving me nuts... 🥵

drftr
Do you think it's m maybe just the recording? Is the sibilance there with other IEMs? Interesting as I don't find Maven II bright or sibilant at all, and I'm super sensitive to it. Also I don't think tinnitus affects sibilance, but sibilant sounds definitely trigger my tinnitus.
 
May 7, 2025 at 4:53 PM Post #106,662 of 107,471
Somebody please please release me from my suffering...

I've spent way over 20 hours to EQ the treble of Maven II down to a level I like. There's a vast peak "somewhere" in the sibilance region that makes especially S sounds almost unbearable for me when I focus on it, which is very hard not to do. And I'm wondering whether I'm really fighting a frequency or the timbre. The peaks come across as really metallic, and that's at fantastic recordings like Peter Gabriel's So ("Red Rain"), Fleetwood Mac's Rumours ("Don't Stop"), et cetera.

And it doesn't make sense to trim the peak down with PMEQ to -4 dB as it will completely change everything else that sounds great without any EQ.

Is this my tinnitus amplifying anything between 6 kHz and 8 kHz? Am I allergic to EST treble? Is it bad luck and should I look for an IEM that sounds exactly like Maven II without that peak? How many years will that take? I thought I finally found her.

Driving me nuts... 🥵

drftr
I don't remember Maven 2 being sibilant...it's true that I'm note overly sensitive to it, but I do hear it on other sets. Was it like this from the beginning...?
 
May 7, 2025 at 5:20 PM Post #106,664 of 107,471
Am I allergic to EST treble?
I feel for you, man. But you may be onto something. I believe I may have this allergy too. Not sure I've found an EST implementation I like outside of Novus and Amber Pearl. Really hoping I like the Canpurs...
 
May 7, 2025 at 6:31 PM Post #106,665 of 107,471
Somebody please please release me from my suffering...

I've spent way over 20 hours to EQ the treble of Maven II down to a level I like. There's a vast peak "somewhere" in the sibilance region that makes especially S sounds almost unbearable for me when I focus on it, which is very hard not to do. And I'm wondering whether I'm really fighting a frequency or the timbre. The peaks come across as really metallic, and that's at fantastic recordings like Peter Gabriel's So ("Red Rain"), Fleetwood Mac's Rumours ("Don't Stop"), et cetera.

And it doesn't make sense to trim the peak down with PMEQ to -4 dB as it will completely change everything else that sounds great without any EQ.

Is this my tinnitus amplifying anything between 6 kHz and 8 kHz? Am I allergic to EST treble? Is it bad luck and should I look for an IEM that sounds exactly like Maven II without that peak? How many years will that take? I thought I finally found her.

Driving me nuts... 🥵

drftr
I had S sounds issues with Maven II as well, and I heard a kind of metallic grit in the mids I did not care for. As for EQ an IEM, not doing that, other than with synergy and player choice, KISS principle for me. There are so many choices, that I enjoyed more than I did that IEM, it was still very good though to me.

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I got Legion a couple weeks ago and am enjoying it, as long as you do not nitpick and let its kind of unique presentation be, it is very nicely tuned. The iem shell is large sticks out quite far though still comfortable for me, actually in bed it is working out great since the leakage is so minimal that it does not bother my wife. I have yet to try it on a flight though yesterday we had to drive to pick our son up from college, my wife was driving and had pop on the radio which I do not tolerate well, actually Bon Jovi was the final straw so I put Legion in, I could still hear the car radio only in the quit parts. Nothing against anyone if your jam is pop music, top 40 is not my thing. In case you are curious I put on A Meeting By The River the Ry Cooder album. The tabla sounded great as did the guitars.

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