The Stax Thread III
Jul 24, 2023 at 3:03 PM Post #24,076 of 25,505
Sigma owners, what are the best albums or tracks that you feel best showcase what the Sigmas are.
 
Jul 24, 2023 at 3:23 PM Post #24,077 of 25,505
Sigma owners, what are the best albums or tracks that you feel best showcase what the Sigmas are.
I believe the Sigmas were developed under the impact of the RCA Living Stereo recordings, because they sound great with it, even better than contemporary recordings. If the classical genre appeals to you, I suggest giving it a try.

https://classicalmusicboxready.com/...f_rca_living_stereo_remastered_2016_eu_ss.htm

For example: https://tidal.com/browse/album/62707810
 
Jul 24, 2023 at 3:28 PM Post #24,078 of 25,505
Sigma owners, what are the best albums or tracks that you feel best showcase what the Sigmas are.
I am a proud (and likely the only) Sigma/404 owner who loves them with outlaw country albums from 1965-75. Don't know why, but Waylon Jennings works on Sigmas.
 
Jul 24, 2023 at 3:35 PM Post #24,079 of 25,505
I am a proud (and likely the only) Sigma/404 owner who loves them with outlaw country albums from 1965-75. Don't know why, but Waylon Jennings works on Sigmas.
It's really interesting how good the Sigmas sound when playing stereo recordings from the 1960s. I believe Hayashi-San developed the Sigma with these Living Stereo recordings as a reference.
 
Last edited:
Jul 24, 2023 at 7:28 PM Post #24,080 of 25,505
It's really interesting how good the Sigmas sound when playing stereo recordings from the 1960s. I believe Hayashi-San developed the Sigma with these Living Stereo recordings as a reference.
You remind me I have not had my Sigma out for some time. A reminder to correct that,
 
Jul 24, 2023 at 8:00 PM Post #24,081 of 25,505
Yup, definitely have background hum with the Lambda Pros. Not so much with the less efficient 007/X9000.

Btw, I have the 007 hooked up to the 48wpc Willsenton R800i right now and they definitely woke up vs the already good Bliss. Running Oratory EQ too which helps get rid of some of the muffle/veil. Just keep finding better combos playing around with these three Stax and the SRD-7.

Would love to attend a Stax meetup someday, bring my amps with adapter box and see how they stand up to the likes of BHSE, etc. Already getting some of the best music I've experienced out of these inferior transformers.

Gammi, I enjoy your postings on upgrading the SRD-7 ... even though I have zero experience in tweaking the innerds of gear, and am unlikely to start at my now-advanced life stage, so to speak.

IIRC, you got the X9000s after listening to them at a show ... obviously must have liked them ... and ordered the SRD-7 Pro from somewhere shortly after that, with the intent of updgrading it, including putting some Lundahl transformers. (Which are legendary enough that even I have heard of them.)

But you also have a SR-007 Mk1 and a Lambda Pro, which I am assuming you had from before ... what did you use as your e-stats driver, before you got this SRD-7 ?

(Apologies if this is buried somewhere in the history and I didn't dig deep enough to find it.)
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 12:06 AM Post #24,082 of 25,505
Gammi, I enjoy your postings on upgrading the SRD-7 ... even though I have zero experience in tweaking the innerds of gear, and am unlikely to start at my now-advanced life stage, so to speak.

IIRC, you got the X9000s after listening to them at a show ... obviously must have liked them ... and ordered the SRD-7 Pro from somewhere shortly after that, with the intent of updgrading it, including putting some Lundahl transformers. (Which are legendary enough that even I have heard of them.)

But you also have a SR-007 Mk1 and a Lambda Pro, which I am assuming you had from before ... what did you use as your e-stats driver, before you got this SRD-7 ?

(Apologies if this is buried somewhere in the history and I didn't dig deep enough to find it.)
Actually I'm a little bit psycho and bought the Lambda Pro, SR-007 and SR-X9000 all at the same time lol. You're right about hearing X9000s at a show being the start of it. I kept finding myself thinking of them after and knew I needed a pair. Got the Lambda Pro because it came with the SRD-7 and got the SR-007 because I wanted something with a different sound signature to compare.

A lot going on at once between trying 3 different headphones on 3 different amps, with and without EQ, still a bit off from drawing any conclusions other than I can say I enjoy them all and that the tube speaker amps seemed to bring more dynamics than my Bliss. I'll also eventually be comparing to some of my other headphones. I'm especially interested in putting them against the CA-1a since the ribbon driver in those has a lot of the best qualities of both planar and estat.
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 2:39 AM Post #24,083 of 25,505
1690117382402.png


Kevin Gilmore Megatron and Kevin Gilmore Stax T2, both built by Soren Brix



Megatron

  • Build according to KG design
  • 450 V HV
  • Golden Reference HV and LV Power supply
  • Transformers: 400 VA + 2x 40 VA
  • Tubes:
1st Stage (12AU7/ECC82/(E80CC)): EH 12AU7

2nd Stage (12AX7/ECC83): ECC83 TELEFUNKEN Smooth Plates

Output (EL34): TESLA brown base (double O-getter)

CCS (EL34): Russian MULLARDS


T2
  • Build according to KG redesigned T2, no replacement semiconductors
  • 500 V KG power supply
  • RK50 attenuator
  • Tubes:
  • Input (6922): JAN PHILIPS (Sylvania)
  • Output (EL34): TESLA brown base (double O-getter)

Testing source

QOBUZ/TIDAL è SINGXER SU6 (DDC) è MUSETEC MH-DA005 (DA) è MT XLR out to T2

Cables (just for the record, no talent on my side to hear a noteworthy difference to previously used cheaper whatever cables…)

USB è DDC: AQ Coffee, I2S DDC è DA: AQ Carbon 48, XLR DA è MT: Inakustik NF-803, XLR Megatron è T2: ORB J10

Musetec runs with 2x Sabre 9038 pro, but is tuned to a warmer, less than for ESS typical forward/incisive signature. Matrix X-Sabre 3 with same 2x 9038 pro e.g. was a lot leaner and more incisive sounding. Overall sound signature I would describe as fairly neutral.

Music

Completely mixed, but I listened less to classical music.

Headphones

Stax SR307, 007A (2016, port + spring mod), 009, 009S, X9000


Sound

Treble
Extension and resolution seems similar on both, outstanding (maybe slight advantage for T2).
Treble on MT is more rounded and never causing fatigue, slightly subdued in comparison to T2. A completely grain free and sweet presentation.
T2 is presenting treble with more energy and dynamics, and most important, without harshness. Treble kicks in much stronger on T2 and more immediate, but appears not overdone in absolute terms.

Mids
Mids on MT appear to my ears as full, very liquid and “creamy” sounding. There is absolutely no shout to vocals (or anything), no matter how far the volume is cranked up.

On T2 the mids are tighter, less warm and big sounding, but maybe more articulated and focused. Probably many would say more neutral than MT, but I cannot say MT having colored mids in the reverse conclusion.

Bass
MT bass is precise, extends deep and delivers the fattest bass of all amps I listened to. T2 bass is most precise and extends deeper, bass is not as big and fat as MT. Bass impact is very prominent on MT (but not overdone), but is in comparison softer. T2 bass can hit you like a hammer, there is so much punch and rumble, if the music demands for it. MT is more polite in comparison. IMO the bass presentation of both suits all the a.m. headphones very well, and this alone sets both amps apart.

Overall

MT overall sound signature is relaxed and engaging at the same time, timbre is on the warm side. Both micro- and macrodynamics is great (be sure, all these EL34 are no statists). Already after plugging in MT for the first time, with the very first song it was clear to me that it is special in the way how harmonic its sounds. Tuning is on the softer side, very natural. There is not too much tube glare (unlike e.g. an unmodified SRM007t). The attribute coherency comes into mind, and that this is no one trick pony, more like experiencing one of the most “adult” sound of an amp I ever listened to, whether HP or speaker amp. Paired with great resolution all across the board, good transparency, delivering the most beautiful sound colours. Soundstage is very wide and deep, but exactly not like some overly exaggerated fuzzy tube amp staging one might have experienced. Next on the favorite list is how much body is given to the music, especially to the bass, resp. the lower frequencies in general. I guess this is not the kind of tuning one can generate by EQing other amps, this is organically implemented, and it suits the Staxes so well (even my 007A). MT is the perfect amp for (very) long listening sessions.


T2: Overall more (most!) energetic and more straight sounding. The analogy of an athlete, whose muscles are always tensioned comes to mind. This leads to a very lifelike (but not stressful) presentation, there seems to be not one millisecond delay from the record till it reaches the ear. Simply impressive!

T2 sounds a bit brighter/leaner than MT, having less of this “organic charm”, but there is even more transparency. Many might say T2 is more neutral. In comparison to the Carbon I experienced, T2 is less bright. I think there is enough warmth for most tastes and I think this makes a big difference. If some amps (also sources and transducers) suffer from either being highly dynamic but more lean sounding, while others from being warm but less dynamic, this is not the case with T2. I guess most would say T2 is where you want it to have. Compared to MT, stage on T2 is smaller, but probably more “correct” in size, with width and depth equally pronounced.

Mainly because of in comparison less treble energy of MT, listening at higher volume is possible and can be highly enjoyable. Both amps have excellent reverb, another ability which sets them apart from the other amps I could try before (speaking from memory though). Reverb on MT seems to be even more distinct than on T2.

T2 adds excitement already at low listening volumes. T2s most energetic presentation challenges you more, especially when cranking up the pot. You will not read a book while listening to music which is presented with this lifelike absolute authority.


Tube rolling

Megatron

Above mentioned tube configuration is based on the preceding words. Few other settings I tried:

1st stage
  • E80CC instead of 12AU7. (Possible if the PS can handle the filament current of 0,6 A instead of 0,3 A. Using this tube results in slightly more gain.)
  • I tried Valvo (Heerlen) and Tungsram E80CC. Both seem to be similar in sonics. This leads to a more engaging presentation, leaner and more treble sparkle compared to the EHs, but in the last time I feel it is maybe somehow not 100% “harmonic”. I would say its a preference thing. For now I switched back to EH 12AU7, because:
2nd stage
  • Coming from EH 12AX7 I switched to Telefunken ECC83 (Smooth plates), and this tube makes a difference. The Tele is adding resolution, treble extension, midrange presence and stage depth, tight bass. It is not a very tubey sounding tube I would say, but suits in this position very well, highly recommended. Together with a.m. E80CCs maybe too much of a good thing, bringing it to the lean side.
  • I tried also Valvo ECC83 MC2 45° (Hamburg), this adds some 3D stage, but overall a bit too sleepy for my taste here.
Output stage
  • Coming from Russian Mullards. They are overall pleasing in every regard, nothing to complain about. Recently I put in the Teslas, and they seem to be slightly more refined and clear sounding, a bit tighter in a good way. JJ EL34 II were no improvement (too lean). Overall there seems less influence compared to 1st and 2nd stage rolling, maybe no need to spend big money here. (Btw., GG was reacting much more on changing EL34)
  • CCS: The Mullards I never changed.
  • Receiving any experience from other MT owners would be very welcome.
(edit: Telefunken + Tungsram ECC82 and vintage Mullard ECC83 are on its way)

T2
  • No change of the input tubes so far (want to try Valvos)
  • Changed the output from Russian Mullards to the Teslas. Not very much difference, but the Teslas I liked better. Also here overall a bit clearer, tighter with better treble resolution, but not night and day.

Synergy with Headphones (preliminary)

This was respective still is not an easy (but most enjoyable!) task, personal preference as mood and music are playing a role and there are many combinations + influence of tube rolling. I think I can already say that none of the mentioned headphones sounds less than at least very good on both amps, there are no real sonic mismatches.

Megatron
  • X9000: Especially with this one I had my issues when getting it and I was not sure whether I would keep it. When MT arrived, I found missing synergy with X9000, so I forgot that idea. The full bodied character of MT with its thick mids was like it was made for X9000. Only area where I feel “only” good synergy, is in the treble. Both partners are having great resolution and extension, but are on the softer respective harmonic side.
  • 009/009S (I will not differentiate between these at this point): IMO the perfect match! Period. I doubt anybody would call 009 bright or edgy in this combination and you would be surprised at which volume fatigue free listening is possible.
  • 307: see 009, just wow. I would prefer 307 with MT over the round Staxes on certain “lesser” amps.
  • 007A: IMO also a good match and no, I do not find the bass region too congested. But indeed a combination where bass heads might lift an eyebrow. Btw., MT is able to drive also 007 to unhealthy volume levels, and everything remains so listenable.
  • (Once I could compare 007Mk1 (70xxx) and my 007A on MT and Carbon. 007MK1 I liked better on Carbon, but 007A (and all the other HPs) I preferred on MT.)

T2
  • X9000: Very good match, but different synergy than with MT. As T2 adds a bit less body and thick mids to the music than MT, presentation is of course also leaner (but luckily not lean in absolute terms). Where X9000 really profits is in the bass and treble. Compared to 009, X9000 bass bleeds a bit into the lower mids (my perception), but the control, punch and precision of T2 cures that for me in a noteworthy way. The treble of X9000 was originally an issue for me. While resolution could not be better, treble is on the soft side and I missed macro dynamics, excitement. T2 cured this, treble is simply outstanding now.
  • 009: Very very good match (at lower volume perfect). Two wild tigers are meeting, playing with their laser swords. All the qualities of T2 applied on 009 lead to a maximum exciting listening experience. For me the most impressive of all combinations at lower volume. Listening loudly for longer time can be too much of a good thing though. Right now I prefer 009S over 009 on T2, as it is slightly more “civil”, less challenging at higher volume.
  • 307: Very good match, highly energetic and exciting sounding. Reasonable volume without fatigue is possible. And while I rate a 009 or 009S (which share a good part of their tuning with 307) higher, it is again surprising how much also this one is scaling with amplification. Taking into account I paid 250 € new, this thing is a kind of small wonder.
  • 007A: You expect it, and yes, T2 fits to 007A perfectly. T2 transforms specially this one to a much more awake and precise transducer. Midrange recession is reduced, bass is juicy and accurate, the treble alive and just right. Having all the HP in front I ones was about to swap from 009 to 007, until I realized 007 was already on my head.

Overall thoughts:

I can easily agree with previous statements who called these two amplifiers outstanding, both are by far the ones I enjoy the most. Every headphone I tried sounds great in its own way with either amp, pairing is in the end as always a question of preference.

IMO T2 is not simply a better Megatron, as a Ferrari is no better Bentley. The full bodied and liquid tuning of MT is something very special and it suits probably the taste of many. On the other hand the energetic nature of T2 in combination with its balanced and lifelike sound is impossible to ignore and I´m sure will excite every listener.

Before T2 arrived here I thought at low volume listening most estat amplifiers do sound more similar to each other vs when cranked up, when more capable amps dominate due to lower distortion and all that. T2 somehow disproved this for me, I expect this alone might make some prefer T2 over MT.

I hope I could give a little bit of (preliminary) indication what to expect with these amps. Sorry for a not more polished language, and while reading it there are repititions…(never tried to describe sound in more than 2-3 lines before).
Btw, some might need to consider the WAF (wife acceptancy factor). I can say MT with its smaller one box solution is easier to “sell” for having it in the living room :wink:

Again, thank you Soren for providing these two excellent builts. Kevin, thank you for making these possible.
very interesting read - thanks

Seems like you and @mulveling are both happy with the SR-009 out of the T2 - despite someone has deemed the SR-009 the worst Stax of all time (although he recently found a special pair that he likes).
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 6:23 AM Post #24,084 of 25,505
One person is deeming a headphone, so what? Why should this be more relevant than if anybody else who has experienced a bunch of headphones says he likes this headphone?
I enjoy 009/009S as much as I enjoy e.g. 007. I think 009 is excellent, but as with 007 the pairing is important. It is nothing new when saying that tubes usually are beneficial in combination with 009.
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 7:08 AM Post #24,086 of 25,505
very interesting read - thanks

Seems like you and @mulveling are both happy with the SR-009 out of the T2 - despite someone has deemed the SR-009 the worst Stax of all time (although he recently found a special pair that he likes).
It's generally never a good idea to trust hyperbole or rhetorical flourishes--I write this as a main offender :)
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 8:33 AM Post #24,087 of 25,505
My SR-009 ear pad leather needs a replacement. Any advice on the replacement procedure would be greatly appreciated 🙏
I bought original replacement from authorized dealer in europe. Headamp has too
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 8:35 AM Post #24,088 of 25,505
One person is deeming a headphone, so what? Why should this be more relevant than if anybody else who has experienced a bunch of headphones says he likes this headphone?
I enjoy 009/009S as much as I enjoy e.g. 007. I think 009 is excellent, but as with 007 the pairing is important. It is nothing new when saying that tubes usually are beneficial in combination with 009.
I don' t understand positions about 009. In the past was the queen, today is the worst. For me is a pleasant headphone but like you wrote pairing is important.
 
Jul 25, 2023 at 8:47 AM Post #24,089 of 25,505
I don' t understand positions about 009. In the past was the queen, today is the worst. For me is a pleasant headphone but like you wrote pairing is important.
Schizophrenia? Hallucinations, Delusions, Disorganised thinking.
With a touch of bipolar disorder? unusual shifts in mood, ranging from extreme highs (“manic” episodes) to lows (“depressive” episodes). A person who has bipolar disorder also experiences changes in their thinking, behavior.
:thinking: :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Edit: Oh, I forgot OCD tendencies, also. - common, chronic, and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts ("obsessions") and/or behaviors ("compulsions") that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.
And narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) - Regularly upset other people, Think they are always right, Crave attention and admiration, Exaggerate their talents and achievements, Talk about themselves A LOT, Have wide, fast mood swings, Have a hard time taking others’ feelings seriously, Want to win, whatever it takes
 
Last edited:
Jul 25, 2023 at 9:42 AM Post #24,090 of 25,505
I bought original replacement from authorized dealer in europe. Headamp has too
It's a little bit sketchy changing the pads on the 009 and 009S, no? I'd like to put fresh ones one mine but the unscrewing and lack of videos online of others doing it have me very hesitant.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top