The Stax Thread III

[MacedonianHero]

you know what they say

Lol, you throw my favourite movie franchise back at me? IMO, greatest 2 movies ever made: Godfather and Godfather II. Too bad III was such a disappointment.

 

[SeaWo|f]

Lol, you throw my favourite movie franchise back at me? IMO, greatest 2 movies ever made: Godfather and Godfather II. Too bad III was such a disappointment.

You set me up perfectly, so it was unavoidable.

 

[jgazal]

The casing is also thinner with a different mesh grill.

Are you referring to the aluminum ear cups?

(...) I REALLY hope they have been able combine the technicalities of the current 009 with the musicality of the 007. Extra bonus if they do that with the tonality of the 007mk1. (...)

If that matters, 009 and 009s impedance and sensitivity are still the same and different from 007.

Does anyone know if the 009s cups are sealed or ported?

 

[ToroFiestaSol]

Looks amazing, I'll wait for credible sound impressions, but if it's warmer and has more bass impact than the original SR-009, I'm in
We need something superior that ends the stupid SR-009 vs SR-007 debate, some audio forum peace of mind

 

[SeaWo|f]

If that matters, 009 and 009s impedance and sensitivity are still the same and different from 007.

It makes sense that they are same as the 009 since these are a direct evolution of those and not the 007. But way they sound isn't determined by sensitivity.

 

[jgazal]

It makes sense that they are same as the 009 since these are a direct evolution of those and not the 007. But way they sound isn't determined by sensitivity.

I forgot to mention capacitance is also equal.

I thought that having equal impedance (at 10khz), capacitance and sensitivity (at 1khz) was an indication that diaphragm material, tension and stator to diaphragm gap are still the same...

On a second thought, those impedance and sensitivity specifications are restricted to 10khz and 1khz so something that impact on other frequency ranges or decay might have changed even if those specs remain the same...

So as far as I understood the claims are more spaced mesh, smoothing the edges of holes in the stators (not sure if the perforated part of the stators has a different thickness), reducing resonance with gold plating and lowering earcup thickness to its optimum. I guess there is a reason to use the world evolutionary instead of revolutionary.

I guess you are right. We need to wait for impressions.

 

[purk]

Honestly though I think it is best for me to wait out on this and impression. With the DIY T2, I always get optimum performance from the 007, and 009 as well as the HE90. Other amps including the KGSSVHV, Carbon, KGST, BHSE, and Aristaeus have tendency to drive one phones better than another.

 

[protoss]

is this legit? The 009S ? Cant find any reports or news on this?

 

[protoss]

Looks like I had to do some serious investigation on this!

Check this out

https://audioconcept.se/?s=sr-009&post_type=product&type_aws=true&id=1&filter=1

Sale ? Already ?

getting crazy now!

SPECS:

Type: push-pull electrostatic large circular sound element, open-air type enclosure

Frequency response: 5 – 42,000Hz

Electrostatic capacitance: 110pF (including cable)

Impedance: 145kΩ (including cable, at 10kHz)

Sound pressure sensitivity: 101dB / input 100Vr.m.s. / 1kHz

Bias voltage: DC580V

Right/left channel indication: Golden solid line (left) and dotted line (right) on the cable

Earpad: Genuine leather (skin touching portion), high-quality artificial leather (surrounding portion)

Cable: Silver-coated 6N (99.9999%) OFC parallel 6-strand, low-capacity special wide cable, 2.5m full length

Weight: 583g (including cable), 441g (without cable)

 

[astrostar59]

Ha Ha, like it. I am also OUT. It isn't just the treble thing with the 009s. It is the odd 'etherial' and 'floaty' presentation, with less guts and thrust than big speaker rigs. I got off on the detail thing for a few years, but grew to try and avoid it in the end. It failed to convince me it was music, rather a very clever hifi representation of the music, a stethoscope if you will. YMMV and granted this is my personal view. Each to their own.

BUT for me to jump back in, the liquid mids of Planars would need to be matched, as would the incredible bass detail and slam, and the drive and dynamics. Damb, lots left to fix then....in my totally personal view of course. Plus lets not forget there are NO current Stax amps that get close to Planars on a 'standard' amp. I just don't get why Stax don't fix that aspect? Are they worried the drivers can't take it? No idea, but I never understood it TBH.

 

[protoss]

The SR-009S evolved further the electrode established in the SR-009 as the integration of present technology. The edges of electrode hole were smoothened through after-etching processing to reduce air resistance, and the permeability of sound has been much more improved. Moreover, gold plating processing with large specific gravity further decreased the electrode vibration. Finally, the sound clarity has been achieved by reducing the resistance of electrode itself.

 

[protoss]

Ha Ha, like it. I am also OUT. It isn't just the treble thing with the 009s. It is the odd 'etherial' and 'floaty' presentation, with less guts and thrust than big speaker rigs. I got off on the detail thing for a few years, but grew to try and avoid it in the end. It failed to convince me it was music, rather a very clever hifi representation of the music, a stethoscope if you will. YMMV and granted this is my personal view. Each to their own.

BUT for me to jump back in, the liquid mids of Planars would need to be matched, as would the incredible bass detail and slam, and the drive and dynamics. Damb, lots left to fix then....in my totally personal view of course. Plus lets not forget there are NO current Stax amps that get close to Planars on a 'standard' amp. I just don't get why Stax don't fix that aspect? Are they worried the drivers can't take it? No idea, but I never understood it TBH.

Yikes. Someone will attack you now for saying that to the 009! LMAO! in a few minute you will hear this.

"My T2,Carbon and BHSE has none of those problems and yada yada yada"

hahahaha

 

[MacedonianHero]

Yikes. Someone will attack you now for saying that to the 009! LMAO! in a few minute you will hear this.

"My T2,Carbon and BHSE has none of those problems and yada yada yada"

hahahaha

Just for the record; he owned the Carbon. FWIW, I’ve owed the KGSSHV and LL2, plus have heard both the BHSE (several times) and a DIY T2.

 

[protoss]

Just for the record; he owned the Carbon. FWIW, I’ve owed the KGSSHV and LL2, plus have heard both the BHSE (several times) and a DIY T2.

Sure. I am not a big fan of the 009 anyway. Prefer the 007-MK1 over the 009. And non stats ear-speaker I will pick the Abyss Phi over the 009 and maybe even the Susvara !

Overall, My picture is pretty much sums up all the headphones that are better than the 009 also.

Heck even my arthritis He Audio Jade outclass the 009 in every department ! Yes I have one of the very last mint condition, perfect condition working pair left in the world.

 

[astrostar59]

Sure. I am not a big fan of the 009 anyway. Prefer the 007-MK1 over the 009. And non stats ear-speaker I will pick the Abyss Phi over the 009 and maybe even the Susvara !

Overall, My picture is pretty much sums up all the headphones that are better than the 009 also.

Heck even my arthritis He Audio Jade outclass the 009 in every department ! Yes I have one of the very last mint condition, perfect condition working pair left in the world.

You can guess my frustration with the Stax amps. Really hoping the 009s is something new, but not holding much hope on it. Stax need to watch out. Mr Speakers and Shangri-La Junior and others, it isn't a one shot pony anymore. Plus IMO Planars have moved a lot in the last few years. Oddly it was the HE-1 sound that made me jump ship, kind of ironic...