Since '50s got more "balls" in the Treble department - the usual sibilant albums will always remain -> Sibilant. I use Sony EP-EX11. I love the '50's air renditions...
OHHH
If I said to you F2 is more fluid, more alive ?
This has been Penon territory. But I do agree with you '50's Mids are really special!
Since '50s got more "balls" in the Treble department - the usual sibilant albums will always remain -> Sibilant. I use Sony EP-EX11. I love the '50's air renditions...
You're welcome.
Will share them impressions very soon...
Indeed, I consider the H50's mids as "tender and warm", I love them!
So I understand from what you tell me that the FAN2 is more permissive with bad recordings and less bright than the 50? I listen to a lot of punk/post-punk and they don't usually stand out for the quality of their recordings.
Can somebody help me?
I come this path: from Moondrop Chu, heartmirror, tin t2pro, ikko ih10, Tri i 3 pro... And i kept only Chu and heartmirror..
Reading here I jump in a single time in the penon world and now
I own both vortex and fan2.
Fan 2 surprised me a lot with their coherence (you can't distinguish the three drivers) and details and separation that vortex doesn't have with the original cable.
If you listen to the fabulous Fabio Concato's last album "musico Ambulante" you can follow both the voice and the guitar that have the same light on them, they are a duet. In the vortex the Concato's voice is little bigger and in you face but the guitar stay quieter on the back ground.( Not too much though but there is this difference)
Vortex is my on the go iem cause they're smaller. But they miss a little punch in every region. And they haven't enough bass and again any bass slam. It's a clear step up over heartmirror but doesn't make me say wow as the fan2, but maybe this is a good thing: neutrality.
I've followed your posts in the cable and I'm curious if any of you tried the fan2 cable on the vortex..
All of you said that original cable isn't good for Vortex.. too smooth
I would like to buy one between isn g4(costs a lot) or isn C2 or s2 (or also the PAC480 adviced in a vortex review?)cable but I don't know to which penon iem give this gift.
Its better only one upgrade choosing between fan2 with s2 And vortex with c2 or g4 (keeping in mind with the cost of a g4 you can take two cable: c2/s2)?
Or you strongly advice me both upgrade vortex/pac480/c2 and fan/s2
How does compare pac480 to Isn C2?
Ooooo gosh too many chances.
P.s. I have to decide now to stop thinking and keep back studying with mind free!!
Originally I was going toward s2/fan2 or either s2/vortex because I love wide soundstage but one of you said that c2 gives more energetic sound to vortex... And for me vortex is slow.. driving it only by phone. So I started thinking to c2 or pac480.
Which upgrade worth more in your opinion?
And can you link me the vortex bass mod topic, I can't find it.
I also am waiting to kbear 30 dollars hazy 6n graphene cable but I don't expect too much from it...
@Dsnuts and penon Said :
"Here is the rank by Head-Fi Dsnuts:
Bass= C2>H2>S2 None of these lean out any of the bass your hearing though.
Mids=H2=C2=S2 C2 leans a touch warmer, S2 a touch cooler, H2 in the middle.
Technicals=S2>H2>C2. C2 copper cable is resolves better than most type of copper cables,so dont think it is somehow less resolving than the others.
Treble detail= S2>H2>C2 S2 has the most silver content. C2 has the most natural tonal character for trebles.
Natural tone= C2>H2>S2
Verstility=H2>S2=C2 H2 is the middle being half S2 and half C2.Can't decide which to choose,go for a bit of both. "
Can somebody help me?
I come this path: from Moondrop Chu, heartmirror, tin t2pro, ikko ih10, Tri i 3 pro... And i kept only Chu and heartmirror..
Reading here I jump in a single time in the penon world and now
I own both vortex and fan2.
Fan 2 surprised me a lot with their coherence (you can't distinguish the three drivers) and details and separation that vortex doesn't have with the original cable.
If you listen to the fabulous Fabio Concato's last album "musico Ambulante" you can follow both the voice and the guitar that have the same light on them, they are a duet. In the vortex the Concato's voice is little bigger and in you face but the guitar stay quieter on the back ground.( Not too much though but there is this difference)
Vortex is my on the go iem cause they're smaller. But they miss a little punch in every region. And they haven't enough bass and again any bass slam. It's a clear step up over heartmirror but doesn't make me say wow as the fan2, but maybe this is a good thing: neutrality.
I've followed your posts in the cable and I'm curious if any of you tried the fan2 cable on the vortex..
All of you said that original cable isn't good for Vortex.. too smooth
I would like to buy one between isn g4(costs a lot) or isn C2 or s2 (or also the PAC480 adviced in a vortex review?)cable but I don't know to which penon iem give this gift.
Its better only one upgrade choosing between fan2 with s2 And vortex with c2 or g4 (keeping in mind with the cost of a g4 you can take two cable: c2/s2)?
Or you strongly advice me both upgrade vortex/pac480/c2 and fan/s2
How does compare pac480 to Isn C2?
Ooooo gosh too many chances.
P.s. I have to decide now to stop thinking and keep back studying with mind free!!
Originally I was going toward s2/fan2 or either s2/vortex because I love wide soundstage but one of you said that c2 gives more energetic sound to vortex... And for me vortex is slow.. driving it only by phone. So I started thinking to c2 or pac480.
Which upgrade worth more in your opinion?
And can you link me the vortex bass mod topic, I can't find it.
I also am waiting to kbear 30 dollars hazy 6n graphene cable but I don't expect too much from it...
Mail call! Today I received cables from isn. AG8, C2 and S2, I also have a G4, so I have all the possible combinations that you indicate to be able to try, but I am afraid that I will not be able to do it with guarantees until the weekend.
For now my Vortex was with a Tri Wolfram with great results, I think silver suits it very well, and the Fan2 with a Penon Mix, but I haven't had time to try other combinations.
New Totem cable covering and multiple plug set-up. Even new style of chin-slider and splitter. Less weight than the old way if used with other plugs in addition to the standard 2.5mm termination, and this new Totem will come in at a lesser price! I'm not sure what that price is.....but it will be less!
Tracks I played for the comparison include:
So tough - The Slits
Brighter – The Railway Children
…from across the kitchen table – The Pale Fountains
Chamber of Hellos (Extended Version) – Wire Train
Love is time of Year – Sinne Eeg
Talkin bout a revolution – Tracy Chapman
Fast car - Tracy Chapman
I used Azla Sedna Earfit Shorts, for best Mids and treble output, without reducing bass qualities.
From playback going through back and forth, and most often times repeating the same tracks, we can gather:
The Level of clarity on the F2, especially on the Mids, is definitely higher. Please don't get me wrong. '50s' Mids are clear as day, but comparing to the F2 - it is very obvious the latter has the upper hand.
Handling of complex passages - F2 has this in the bag. The 50s being analytical also, is a bit slower in capturing nuances, low level details. Whilst the F2 is very analytical as well, it does keep up with the pace and being more resolving than the former, does a better job.
Layering - F2, having advantages of the above mentioned, this is also going to the F2.
Scale of imaging, the F2 has the larger scale of imaging here. Albeit the '50s having the smaller scale, I can sense the holographic presentation on the latter is always better as opposed to the F2 being a Near Field rendering on the images.
Tuning - this is a matter of preference. Neutral, U shape -> ISN Audio H50, Neutral, warm, W shape -> Penon Fan 2
Put some Springtips on the Fan 2 and works pretty well to bring the highs up. Springtips really don’t fit for me on most stuff. The presentation is opening up. Listened to some low bass dub and they didn’t really take to that. Vocals sound more natural though. Haven’t listened to anything else in the meantime so could be some mental adaptation. I’ll mix them up with the Kato to get a better sense of the presentation. I’m increasingly tempted to try the Serial but wonder if the thick mids are too similar.
Not quite, actually. both are bright and in a good way, though. Same levels of reach, '50s are Neutral compared to the thicker F2
Please check out below.
You're welcome!
Tracks I played for the comparison include:
So tough - The Slits
Brighter – The Railway Children
…from across the kitchen table – The Pale Fountains
Chamber of Hellos (Extended Version) – Wire Train
Love is time of Year – Sinne Eeg
Talkin bout a revolution – Tracy Chapman
Fast car - Tracy Chapman
I used Azla Sedna Earfit Shorts, for best Mids and treble output, without reducing bass qualities.
From playback going through back and forth, and most often times repeating the same tracks, we can gather:
The Level of clarity on the F2, especially on the Mids, is definitely higher. Please don't get me wrong. '50s' Mids are clear as day, but comparing to the F2 - it is very obvious the latter has the upper hand.
Handling of complex passages - F2 has this in the bag. The 50s being analytical also, is a bit slower in capturing nuances, low level details. Whilst the F2 is very analytical as well, it does keep up with the pace and being more resolving than the former, does a better job.
Layering - F2, having advantages of the above mentioned, this is also going to the F2.
Scale of imaging, the F2 has the larger scale of imaging here. Albeit the '50s having the smaller scale, I can sense the holographic presentation on the latter is always better as opposed to the F2 being a Near Field rendering on the images.
Tuning - this is a matter of preference. Neutral, U shape -> ISN Audio H50, Neutral, warm, W shape -> Penon Fan 2
So from what you say, both the H50 and the F2 have a similar profile, right? The only thing that worries me is that the F2 is too bright for genres like punk/post-punk.
Damn... Tempting.
I have to think a lot because my setup is being built around my open-back headphone.
So not much money left lol
That's quite a price jump from Serial.
Gonna do my research about that one.
Thanks for the suggestion, man!
Are the free 9th anniversary items, like the iem cables, any good? Penon didn't send the one I chose with my last order. I know it's a freebie, but I could have used a decent MMCX cable...
So from what you say, both the H50 and the F2 have a similar profile, right? The only thing that worries me is that the F2 is too bright for genres like punk/post-punk.
My experience is that Fan 2 responds to how the songs are mixed, more than they affect the song. If the song is peaky and sharp Fan will give it to you peaky and sharp. If the song is mixed smooth and without sibilance, I’m not getting anything. YMMV, but Fan 2 gives you what’s there, it doesn’t accentuate
So I’m working on my Fan 2 review and I had a revelation. I kept trying (in my mind) to figure out what the Fan 2 response reminded me of. Take this with a huge-grain-of-salt, but I heard the Sony MDR-R10 about thirteen years ago at my second Head-Fi meet....yep. The Fan 2 is very much as neutral as the R10, yet slightly warmer in the midrange. And of course the Fan 2 treble is not quite as refined as the R10, plus it’s laughingly been 13 years since I heard the R10. But when I heard it was with a totally optimal set-up, also it wasn’t a regular meet-up. Meaning everyone was downstairs talking and I was by myself with the R10 totally undisturbed, and could listen just long as I wanted to! Just thought I share this, as I really haven’t heard anything (else) exactly like it?
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