Jul 18, 2024 at 10:59 PM Post #14,431 of 16,140
Thanks a lot for your detailed answer. I believe that the old flagship totem would still hold its unique character and performance against the new ones as well. I am actually very happy about even fragment length of it (pigtail adapter) does to my audio chain. One question, do you still find the utility of totem pigtail when you use pyramid or renata or that level of cables doesnt need totem magic anymore due to their own high performing level?

Here is a section of my convoluted and elaborate investigation of the Penon Quattro IEM.

So if you choose into reading this crazy schist I wrote, you will see that concerning the Quattro IEM, the Leo Plus I chose to perform my music tests, all of em!

So I mean it is everything involved....of course you know this, and wires with metal in them never become out-dated, though IEMs do......maybe?

Meaning it is the File Quality, the Source, the IEM, the Cable or cable and Adapter.......and finally the Ear-tips. Yes, it is everything in the audio chain of transfer. Regarding the Totem Adapter, yes it is part of the end sound in the chain. So recently in my review of another manufactures pure silver cable I chose the Totem Adapter to regulate the heat of sorts. Though remember this is a one-off by one-off situation, and most of all it depends on your personal goals and hearing. Cheers!



Penon Leo Plus: Gold alloy mixed with Silver alloy mixed with Palladium alloy
Graphene:
What it does is kind-a subdues the bass (just a little) while at the same time adding blackness which separates and gives distance in the stage to the bass tone. Graphene then itemizes the soundstage and treble in a more weighty fashion than silver, yet we do perceive an increase in midrange stage and a fluid yet enhanced treble energy. Often people will perceive this fluidness as a treble smoothness, and there is nothing wrong with that, as opposed to the energy of silver. This Graphene results in wideness of stage as well as a very identifiable character. I like to call this the Graphene character. While the ISN G4 has a taste of this character, the Penon OSG really at three times the cost, brings a lot more to the table. I was on a roll, and the reason being is I didn’t want to do the music tests with the $699.00 Penon Totem. It is a little ridiculous to combine a $399.00 IEM with a $699.00 cable. Primarily because there are many in that the Totem has priced itself out of a regular choice. So in many ways the Penon OSG was the next step up from the included cable, in fact it may be the OSG that was the inspiration for the development of the included cable? They mostly don’t fill me in on such progress, yet at times I get to see the baby in the end, minus the labor pains. So what if……..what if there was another genuinely great cable in the under $300.00 price point? Well in comes the Penon Leo Plus. Gold alloy mixed with Silver alloy mixed with Palladium alloy. The Leo Plus was the cable I settled with for these music tests. A truth to be told, it wasn’t that far from the included cable, only the Leo Plus added separation and most of all somehow added 3D forwardness to the stage, holding elements inside these sonic displays. So the reverberations were better through spatial distance noted as was the regular character the Quattro had anyway. The elephant in the room with the Quattro is the mid-bass excessiveness. Where sure there is tight sub bass, yet there is a slight issue that I always hear with a jumbling together of information inside the mid-bass zone. In my use there seems to be no amplifier or cable or ear-tip solution for this mid-bass, though we can guess Penon knows about it too, hence choosing the style of Graphene cable they went with. Yet this Leo Plus is the cat’s meow here, for a few of the very same exact reasons the OSG works well.
 
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Jul 18, 2024 at 11:33 PM Post #14,432 of 16,140
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/penon-pyramid-iem-cables.27300/reviews#review-34768

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Jul 18, 2024 at 11:45 PM Post #14,433 of 16,140
Maybe they lost you. It happens.

I, for sure, will be watching this very closely. At that price level, they know the competition is fierce and that they are not as widely perceived to be a competitor in that range. So, they will have to release something very special if this is to have any success.

People were saying similar things about Voltage. But then more people got it, and other than you, most have kept it. I think that's due to its flexibility to become a lot more than what you hear out of the box. When synergistically harnessed, Voltage can outperform many more expensive iems (I'm currently testing 2 $3k sets and neither is as seductive as Voltage). Of course, I've done some reconfiguring with switches both up, Coreir brass tips and an Asos+X cable while using excellent sources for it.

For a new Penon flagship to command $3k, it will have to be better, maybe much better in some ways, than either Voltage or Impact. That's a challenge! But they have not disappointed of late, so I will be an early adopter if this is in some way that big of an upgrade in the line. So far, they've been great and priced sensibly for what they deliver, IMHO.
I've seen at least three voltage for sale since mine. and I have seen a number of people say the same thing - amazing but needs a bit more ooomph in the bass for their taste. I'm not an odd man out. And I have no problem that it has a bit less bass than I want - that is subjective. But I also have no issue with the Voltage price and said nothing about it once. But anything they put out that is 3K is a total money grab and simply about trying to snatch one of the most common marketing techniques, perceived quality by price.
 
Jul 18, 2024 at 11:46 PM Post #14,434 of 16,140
I've done some reconfiguring with switches both up, Coreir brass tips and an Asos+X cable while using excellent sources for it.
Can you briefly describe the tonal differences between ASOS+X and Obsidian cable? E.g., do vocals or mids fall back on the ASOS+X, do the thicker notes impart any warmth or darkness, etc.?

Does ASOS+X have the ability to maintain brightness, airiness and forward vocals?

Do neutral sources pair well?

Any review of the Pyramid without including the Voltage is just a crime. The pairing is perfection.
Is ASOX+X or Pyramid better with Voltage?
 
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Jul 18, 2024 at 11:50 PM Post #14,435 of 16,140
Jul 19, 2024 at 12:45 AM Post #14,436 of 16,140
Hey there,
I have a question not directly about Penon's IEMs but about your experience with the store itself.

I ordered my ISN H60 over a week ago, paid for express shipping, but it still has not been shipped out yet. I contacted customer service and they assured me they will ship it out yesterday and send me the tracking information. But still nothing. I normally buy from HifiGo and they ship usually one or two days after placing an order.

Is it normal for Penon to take this long to ship out stuff?

Sorry if this is not the right thread for this.

Cheers!
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 1:58 AM Post #14,437 of 16,140
Hey there,
I have a question not directly about Penon's IEMs but about your experience with the store itself.

I ordered my ISN H60 over a week ago, paid for express shipping, but it still has not been shipped out yet. I contacted customer service and they assured me they will ship it out yesterday and send me the tracking information. But still nothing. I normally buy from HifiGo and they ship usually one or two days after placing an order.

Is it normal for Penon to take this long to ship out stuff?

Sorry if this is not the right thread for this.

Cheers!
Patience is a virtue.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 2:00 AM Post #14,438 of 16,140
Any review of the Pyramid without including the Voltage is just a crime. The pairing is perfection.
I can only imagine.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 2:19 AM Post #14,440 of 16,140
Hey there,
I have a question not directly about Penon's IEMs but about your experience with the store itself.

I ordered my ISN H60 over a week ago, paid for express shipping, but it still has not been shipped out yet. I contacted customer service and they assured me they will ship it out yesterday and send me the tracking information. But still nothing. I normally buy from HifiGo and they ship usually one or two days after placing an order.

Is it normal for Penon to take this long to ship out stuff?

Sorry if this is not the right thread for this.

Cheers!
log in to your Penon account, go to order history, click on your order. For some reason, the messages and tracking number is there, but I get no emails from them for the tracking number.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 2:24 AM Post #14,441 of 16,140
I got ASOX+X for a few days, I am considering how to permanently pair it along with Pyramid to Voltage and Quattro. Seems from the posts I read so far, Pyramid with Quattro and ASOX+X with Voltage are the best pairing.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 2:25 AM Post #14,442 of 16,140
Apparently I just have to complain into the void of the internet. Just got the shipping confirmation. I am just too excited about the H60.
If you’re like me the H60 will be a cherished monitor for years to come! Cheers!
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 3:54 AM Post #14,444 of 16,140
Can you briefly describe the tonal differences between ASOS+X and Obsidian cable? E.g., do vocals or mids fall back on the ASOS+X, do the thicker notes impart any warmth or darkness, etc.?

Does ASOS+X have the ability to maintain brightness, airiness and forward vocals?

Do neutral sources pair well?


Is ASOX+X or Pyramid better with Voltage?
I'm my experience, the Asos+X is the cable for Voltage. I have both and like the Asos better because it maintains and extends note weight, slightly brightens vocals and massively expands the stage. Obsidian was fine, but the enhancement that comes with Asos just outclasses it in every way.

Pyramid works well too, but once you hear the stage of Voltage with Asos, it's too good to change out.

Penon should offer their iems with any of their cables and price accordingly. A Voltage with Asos, and you have a matchup that sounds a lot more than it costs.
 
Jul 19, 2024 at 4:20 AM Post #14,445 of 16,140
The ASOS+X only comes in 4.4mm, as it must be too manly for 3.5mm?
 

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