The Official 64 Audio Thread | apex & tia Technologies
Sep 23, 2021 at 4:45 PM Post #18,631 of 23,552
The allotted couple days have finally passed, so here are my initial impressions of 64 Audio’s brand-new Duo:

Like most of their other universals, 64 Audio’s Duo is a clean, well-balanced, versatile-sounding piece with their signature blend of dense, weighty notes and articulate tia highs. It’s got hints of the Trio’s bite, but refined. It’s got the A6t or A18s’s beefy and natural - but not rich or saccharine - midrange. And, it’s got the Noir’s bold, dynamic lows too. I’ll go into those nuances a bit more later on, but, simply put, the Duo is the epitome of a jack-of-all-trades; neutral (positioning-wise) from top-to-bottom, clean, natural and - in a good way - safe in tone, but all lifted by the myriad of tech 64’s managed to put inside it.

64A-Duo-HF-2_S.jpg

The lows, first off, have a good amount of drive and power to them. It’s a DD’s bass for sure. In terms of character, I’d say it’s got more of that warm, mid-bass thump, rather than that dry, skull-rattling, sub-bass rumble. That’s not to say they're veiled or hazy in any way. It just has a wetter, richer character to it. I’d say it marginally favours the oomph of an acoustic kick drum over the visceral verve of an electronic bass line. But, again, it’s certainly got the chops to serve either capably.

The midrange is classic 64 with a 1-2kHz rise for a solid, natural foundation, followed by a more relaxed upper-midrange, so you won’t get that shouty-ness to brass instruments, or that saturated character to vocals. It’s a treat for percussion, as it gives the snare a tight, ring-free attack and minimises harmonics on the toms. It deals male and female vocalists an even hand in projection or forwardness. Of course, the trade-off there is that it won’t deliver the full, roaring strength of vocal belts, guitar solos, horn altissimos, etc. Those passages won’t leap out and slam as hard as they would on an in-ear with a more expressive or coloured midrange. But, again, those are compromises made for versatility, and I think they ultimately fit the in-ear’s MO aptly.

Up high, I think the Duo strikes a balance that’ll please fans of that tia treble. It straddles the line between the Trio’s exuberance and the A18s’s almost-analog measuredness; just enough for my tastes. One could say that it’s A6t-like in that regard, but the Duo slightly tops it for me in extension and headroom, which hands it a blacker background and stronger dynamic range. There’s that low-treble bite for snare crackles and vocal sibilants, but it’s, again, incredibly refined. And, it extends capably to give the in-ear's imaging authority and specificity, so notes always come off focused, crisp and well-outlined.

In terms of imaging and dynamics, I’d say the Duo punches above its price, but not to the degree of being a giant killer either. It’s a step above most anything I’ve heard in its price range, especially when it comes to stereo separation and precision. It’s got a clear left, centre and right, and its diagonals are fairly clean as well. Where it falls short to the “big boys” would be in sheer expansion and dynamic range. Its stage is out-of-head, but not exaggeratedly so, and its instruments aren’t capable of going from dead-quiet to explosive as much as a lot of flagship in-ears can. But, again, for its price range, it’s a superb effort, with tia delivering the air, layering and finesse that it’s become synonymous with.

64A-Duo-HF-1_S.jpg

Finally, as I said on my post a few days ago, the semi-open design doesn’t affect isolation significantly for me. It definitely isolates more than some of the open headphones I’ve used. What the design ultimately does is take away that vacuum-like pressure or occlusion that you get when you stuff your ears with closed IEMs. It doesn’t necessarily make instruments sound further away, but it does help remove the perceived barriers of the soundstage, which helps instruments sound a bit more free (or less compressed), and almost make you forget you're wearing IEMs in the first place. Notes will come off more open, they won’t lose their impact nearly as quickly, and you won’t have to bump the volume up on your source a couple steps every now-and-again to revive that kick.

All in all, the Duo is looking like a very clean, versatile and safe-sounding IEM in the best way possible. It’s got casual listen written all over it; from the smooth, linear FR to the semi-open, non-fatiguing design. But, for the price point and audience it’s going for, that really is the ideal scenario if you ask me. It’s a great bang-for-buck buy for the audiophile who perhaps isn’t ready to spend upwards of $2000 for a high-end IEM (or multiple specialist ones). And, it’s also got enough technical performance, so veterans picking it up as an everyday carry won’t feel a drop-off at all from the “more capable” pieces in their collection.

I hope this helps you guys get a clearer picture of the Duo for now. I, again, really applaud 64 for continuing to put their best foot forward and innovating in this price range. I’ll be getting back to work on the full review, which should be up in a few weeks with comparisons against similarly-priced IEMs too. Thanks as always for reading. Cheers. :)

So I am hesitating a bit,
to this date I have an Utopia (with Arche) and I love the sound, funny thing is I really like the bass of the Utopia with the Arche. I also have an Empyrean which i also like (but if i had to choose I would choose the Utopia, I like Utopia Bass (with Arche) better than the empyrean. Empyrean bass seems thicker, but more a mid bass, while Utopia seems like bass from speakers, containing more sub bass and sounding more "menacing")
Next to this I have the u18t and i had to get used to it (less weight in the sound, and lacking a little bit of bass, while detail and imaging and space in the sound are really excellent. I like it (never heard the u12t :))
Would the Duo be a worthwhile addition, taking into account my above preferences (i know ofcourse I need to listen to them before buying)?
Or should I i wait for the EE evo?
Thanks,
Razza
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 4:49 PM Post #18,632 of 23,552
So I am hesitating a bit,
to this date I have an Utopia (with Arche) and I love the sound, funny thing is I really like the bass of the Utopia with the Arche. I also have an Empyrean which i also like (but if i had to choose I would choose the Utopia, I like Utopia Bass (with Arche) better than the empyrean. Empyrean bass seems thicker, but more a mid bass, while Utopia seems like bass from speakers, containing more sub bass and sounding more "menacing")
Next to this I have the u18t and i had to get used to it (less weight in the sound, and lacking a little bit of bass, while detail and imaging and space in the sound are really excellent. I like it (never heard the u12t :))
Would the Duo be a worthwhile addition, taking into account my above preferences (i know ofcourse I need to listen to them before buying)?
Or should I i wait for the EE evo?
Thanks,
Razza
Well if you enjoy the speaker like presentation as you mentioned about the Utopia, the EVO was created to provide that type sound specifically. Annnnd there’s no lacking in the low end.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 4:51 PM Post #18,633 of 23,552
So I am hesitating a bit,
to this date I have an Utopia (with Arche) and I love the sound, funny thing is I really like the bass of the Utopia with the Arche. I also have an Empyrean which i also like (but if i had to choose I would choose the Utopia, I like Utopia Bass (with Arche) better than the empyrean. Empyrean bass seems thicker, but more a mid bass, while Utopia seems like bass from speakers, containing more sub bass and sounding more "menacing")
Next to this I have the u18t and i had to get used to it (less weight in the sound, and lacking a little bit of bass, while detail and imaging and space in the sound are really excellent. I like it (never heard the u12t :))
Would the Duo be a worthwhile addition, taking into account my above preferences (i know ofcourse I need to listen to them before buying)?
Or should I i wait for the EE evo?
Thanks,
Razza
I'd love to see a chart between the two, and there seems to be more EVO impressions as of recent than Duo, but I'd imagine EVO bass will be more technical and tight if the W9+s from Odin are any indication, meanwhile Duo might be closer to Nio bass warmth based off what Deezel said.

LX was known for huge impact but still had excellent subbass. So my gut says EVO...but let's not ignore the huge price discrepancy between the two which should be factored in.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 5:03 PM Post #18,635 of 23,552
Yeah, isn't the Evo three times the price of the - already expensive - Duo?

Coming next - the Unbelievo, priced at only six internal organs and a double mortgage.
EVO is priced like the flagship IEM that it is, and comes with a fairly high-end cable as standard. Duo is priced as the entry-level/EDC high-end IEM that it is, relative to the rest of 64's lineup.

Are IEM prices too high? Probably, but we keep buying 'em!
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 5:03 PM Post #18,636 of 23,552
Yeah, isn't the Evo three times the price of the - already expensive - Duo?

Coming next - the Unbelievo, priced at only six internal organs and a double mortgage.
You might be in the wrong thread (and arguably website) if Duo is deemed grossly expensive. Bunch of Chi-fi stuff out there to test your luck experiment with.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 5:11 PM Post #18,637 of 23,552
Yeah, isn't the Evo three times the price of the - already expensive - Duo?

Coming next - the Unbelievo, priced at only six internal organs and a double mortgage.
Yes it is. He has a Utopia with Archie and a U18t already though. Seems as if he’s not against paying into the $3k ballpark and he’s beyond entry level technicalities as is.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 6:19 PM Post #18,638 of 23,552
So I am hesitating a bit,
to this date I have an Utopia (with Arche) and I love the sound, funny thing is I really like the bass of the Utopia with the Arche. I also have an Empyrean which i also like (but if i had to choose I would choose the Utopia, I like Utopia Bass (with Arche) better than the empyrean. Empyrean bass seems thicker, but more a mid bass, while Utopia seems like bass from speakers, containing more sub bass and sounding more "menacing")
Next to this I have the u18t and i had to get used to it (less weight in the sound, and lacking a little bit of bass, while detail and imaging and space in the sound are really excellent. I like it (never heard the u12t :))
Would the Duo be a worthwhile addition, taking into account my above preferences (i know ofcourse I need to listen to them before buying)?
Or should I i wait for the EE evo?
Thanks,
Razza
As everyone's mentioned, the difference between a Duo and a Legend EVO is fairly large when it comes to pricing, positions in their respective product stacks, etc. But, if you put the value element aside, given that you already own a U18t, I'd probably say the EVO is the smarter buy for your collection. I think it'll make a better complement to your U18t, simply because of how different an experience it'll be. It could be the IEM equivalent of the Utopia and Empyrean pair you have now. Whereas, the Duo, despite its semi-open design and its DD, will give you a bit more of the same, compared to the EVO.

Ultimately, it'll depend on whether you want something totally different to complement the U18t, or something that's only slightly different, because you want to preserve that 64 Audio house sound. The latter will save you a couple grand too. :D
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 7:55 PM Post #18,639 of 23,552
The allotted couple days have finally passed, so here are my initial impressions of 64 Audio’s brand-new Duo:

Like most of their other universals, 64 Audio’s Duo is a clean, well-balanced, versatile-sounding piece with their signature blend of dense, weighty notes and articulate tia highs. It’s got hints of the Trio’s bite, but refined. It’s got the A6t or A18s’s beefy and natural - but not rich or saccharine - midrange. And, it’s got the Noir’s bold, dynamic lows too. I’ll go into those nuances a bit more later on, but, simply put, the Duo is the epitome of a jack-of-all-trades; neutral (positioning-wise) from top-to-bottom, clean, natural and - in a good way - safe in tone, but all lifted by the myriad of tech 64’s managed to put inside it.

64A-Duo-HF-2_S.jpg

The lows, first off, have a good amount of drive and power to them. It’s a DD’s bass for sure. In terms of character, I’d say it’s got more of that warm, mid-bass thump, rather than that dry, skull-rattling, sub-bass rumble. That’s not to say they're veiled or hazy in any way. It just has a wetter, richer character to it. I’d say it marginally favours the oomph of an acoustic kick drum over the visceral verve of an electronic bass line. But, again, it’s certainly got the chops to serve either capably.

The midrange is classic 64 with a 1-2kHz rise for a solid, natural foundation, followed by a more relaxed upper-midrange, so you won’t get that shouty-ness to brass instruments, or that saturated character to vocals. It’s a treat for percussion, as it gives the snare a tight, ring-free attack and minimises harmonics on the toms. It deals male and female vocalists an even hand in projection or forwardness. Of course, the trade-off there is that it won’t deliver the full, roaring strength of vocal belts, guitar solos, horn altissimos, etc. Those passages won’t leap out and slam as hard as they would on an in-ear with a more expressive or coloured midrange. But, again, those are compromises made for versatility, and I think they ultimately fit the in-ear’s MO aptly.

Up high, I think the Duo strikes a balance that’ll please fans of that tia treble. It straddles the line between the Trio’s exuberance and the A18s’s almost-analog measuredness; just enough for my tastes. One could say that it’s A6t-like in that regard, but the Duo slightly tops it for me in extension and headroom, which hands it a blacker background and stronger dynamic range. There’s that low-treble bite for snare crackles and vocal sibilants, but it’s, again, incredibly refined. And, it extends capably to give the in-ear's imaging authority and specificity, so notes always come off focused, crisp and well-outlined.

In terms of imaging and dynamics, I’d say the Duo punches above its price, but not to the degree of being a giant killer either. It’s a step above most anything I’ve heard in its price range, especially when it comes to stereo separation and precision. It’s got a clear left, centre and right, and its diagonals are fairly clean as well. Where it falls short to the “big boys” would be in sheer expansion and dynamic range. Its stage is out-of-head, but not exaggeratedly so, and its instruments aren’t capable of going from dead-quiet to explosive as much as a lot of flagship in-ears can. But, again, for its price range, it’s a superb effort, with tia delivering the air, layering and finesse that it’s become synonymous with.

64A-Duo-HF-1_S.jpg

Finally, as I said on my post a few days ago, the semi-open design doesn’t affect isolation significantly for me. It definitely isolates more than some of the open headphones I’ve used. What the design ultimately does is take away that vacuum-like pressure or occlusion that you get when you stuff your ears with closed IEMs. It doesn’t necessarily make instruments sound further away, but it does help remove the perceived barriers of the soundstage, which helps instruments sound a bit more free (or less compressed), and almost make you forget you're wearing IEMs in the first place. Notes will come off more open, they won’t lose their impact nearly as quickly, and you won’t have to bump the volume up on your source a couple steps every now-and-again to revive that kick.

All in all, the Duo is looking like a very clean, versatile and safe-sounding IEM in the best way possible. It’s got casual listen written all over it; from the smooth, linear FR to the semi-open, non-fatiguing design. But, for the price point and audience it’s going for, that really is the ideal scenario if you ask me. It’s a great bang-for-buck buy for the audiophile who perhaps isn’t ready to spend upwards of $2000 for a high-end IEM (or multiple specialist ones). And, it’s also got enough technical performance, so veterans picking it up as an everyday carry won’t feel a drop-off at all from the “more capable” pieces in their collection.

I hope this helps you guys get a clearer picture of the Duo for now. I, again, really applaud 64 for continuing to put their best foot forward and innovating in this price range. I’ll be getting back to work on the full review, which should be up in a few weeks with comparisons against similarly-priced IEMs too. Thanks as always for reading. Cheers. :)
Great writing mate, as always. I'm on the game for a new IEM and DUO is on my top list. what about Jolene? A bit more expensive, but still on my list.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 9:01 PM Post #18,641 of 23,552
So no LID tech in Duo right? Is it more dynamic than 18s? I always felt U18s was limited in macro dynamics.
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 9:04 PM Post #18,642 of 23,552
So no LID tech in Duo right? Is it more dynamic than 18s? I always felt U18s was limited in macro dynamics.
Can't answer the part about the 18s or macrodynamics since I don't have my pair yet (tomorrow though!) and have never heard an 18s, but I took this from 64's website...

Built with the complete Tia System, Apex Core, Wave Sync, and LID
 
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Sep 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM Post #18,643 of 23,552
Can't answer the part about the 18s or macrodynamics since I don't have my pair yet (tomorrow though!), but I took this from 64's website...

oh thanks, I missed that :sweat_smile:
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 9:05 PM Post #18,644 of 23,552
Coming next - the Unbelievo, priced at only six internal organs and a double mortgage.
I think I’ll wait for a used one to come up for sale on the classifieds. Hopefully by that point it will only cost one kidney and two pints of blood. 😃
 
Sep 23, 2021 at 9:06 PM Post #18,645 of 23,552
oh thanks, I missed that :sweat_smile:
No prob. Also never heard the 18s, so definitely cant answer anything related to that one.
 

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