LOL, I want to win one too. Then I can keep both tc and empy
The JPS Labs: Abyss AB-1266 Impressions Thread
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THIS! I also want to make clear, when I brought the topic up, I did not mean sound quality only.. .. Sound is the full points for TC. But there are other points - comfort (my head, not everybody's) with glasses, portability again for my use, music and its format. I guess it is pure sound versus versatility.
While I love my TC and LCD4, the weight and comfort at times become an issue. I had the Empyrean for a time and found it very comfortable. But in the end the sound signature just wasn't for me. But the "Best" headphone is the one you enjoy the most. For me that changes almost daily.
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I am with you, I also find my thoughts as to best changing all the time...between the sr1a,the TC and susvara the last one I listen to is usually my favorite although recently the sr1a has been getting the bulk of the time
In the first few months with the Susvara I also felt that between the TC and Susvara whichever I used last is the best. But recently I am leaning more towards the TC as my favorite. That doesn't mean I would part with the Susvara. I'm still very happy with it. But the TC... is just unbeatable, for me!
I think I remember reading some member(s) managed to get Abyss to custom make speaker taps adaptor using Superconductor cables. Could you share pics and cost? Thinking of getting one made.
It was @ken6217... I think he paid $500... I'm sure he'll chime in.
I had the TC / Susvara / SR1a trifecta for a while and enjoyed all three headphones greatly.
They all have something truly special in what they do, and complement each other fairly well, while all sharing an audiophile-tuned, highly-technical sound signature (the pinnacle being the SR1a in this respect).
In the end I decided to sell both the Susvara and SR1a to fund new projects, and kept the TC as I find them the best all-rounder - while having their relative weaknesses - and, more importantly, the most engaging ones to listen. The 1266 just trigger my brain and guts at the same time in a unique way, and keep wowing me everyday after all these years
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I'm thinking about upgrading my amp from the TT2 to the Formula S/powerman in the coming months.
1. I'm surprised that there isn't a specific thread for this gear yet, since it's been years since its release. Would it be alright if I created that official thread?
2. For Formula S owners, what interconnects have folks been using between it and your DAC?
3. Is there any difference at all in terms of power output or stereo separation between the XLR4, dual XLR3 and single ended 1/4inch?
1. I'm surprised that there isn't a specific thread for this gear yet, since it's been years since its release. Would it be alright if I created that official thread?
2. For Formula S owners, what interconnects have folks been using between it and your DAC?
3. Is there any difference at all in terms of power output or stereo separation between the XLR4, dual XLR3 and single ended 1/4inch?
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2. For Formula S owners, what interconnects have folks been using between it and your DAC?
Dana Cable, Straight Wire, DH Labs, JPS Labs, Moon Dragon's, Blue Jeans, WBC, and CFL's custom made Mogami 2549 with Neutrik NF2C-B/2 Professional RCA's.
They all have worked well for me, and from my perspective, only very slight differences in sonic flavoring. The amp to HP cable is where the rubber meets the road in my opinion.
3. Is there any difference at all in terms of power output or stereo separation between the XLR4, dual XLR3 and single ended 1/4inch?
It shouldn't, the Formula S is a single ended design, I think they offer XLR's (including on the back for inputs) for those that prefer them. I only use XLR's with balanced amps, no advantage with an SE circuit as far as I know. I do much prefer my 4 pin HP cables over having to use the 1/4 inch adapter.
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Are you gonna still keep the TT2 as your dac?
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why wouldnt he?...it is a great DAC
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thank you for your honestly! gonna go for the stax system for sure now!Welcome to the official JPS Labs: Abyss AB-1266 Appreciation & Impressions Thread! In here you will find all things Abyss. Feel free to post your own impressions of the Abyss as well as discuss anything you like (as long as it is at least slightly related to the Abyss). To begin with, my very own impressions of the Abyss after the first few times I heard them...
Introduction
Today, I managed to hear the new Abyss planar magnetic headphones and boy was I excited.
The salesperson assured me that they were the first distributor worldwide to get the Abyss which is nice.
Given the asking price of more than $5000 (that's Stax SR-009 level) and as a direct competitor to the LCD 3s, I couldn't tell if I was more excited by the potential for brilliant SQ or just the novelty of such a pair of cans.
For a long time, Audeze and Hifiman have been the go to headphone company amongst head-fiers when seeking a new pair of planar magnetic headphones. That is no longer the case. I believe that we have a new and true contender in the class.
What's in the box?
For $5000, the package comes with a lot more than just a pair of cans. Inside the box, one will find a wooden box for storage, a leather carry case, a headphone stand, and balanced cables, with a converter to a 1/4 inch plug. I should note that the cables are of extremely good quality. Given that JPS labs makes cables, you'd expect nothing less. According to the salesman, the cables themselves are worth about a fifth to a quarter of the asking price ($1000-$1250).
The headphones themselves come with detachable earpads which adhere magnetically. You can twist them clockwise or anticlockwise (as if turning a doorknob) and alter the angle of the earpads yourself.
The look and feel
There's no point discussing how it looks. You be the judge.
All I can say however is that they are almost completely metal (aluminium I believe) and what appears to be foam on the outer side of the drivers is actually metal that has the same porous look of foam. The leather earpads are supple and soft.
However, these cans were incredibly heavy (more than the LCDs) and not really that comfortable. There's no clamping force at all (unless you unscrew the top and push the sides together) so most of the weight sits on top of your head via the leather head band.
How it sounds
Firstly, I should say the source was as follows: NAD M51 Direct Digital DAC>Burson Soloist/Woo WA22/Woo WA5>Abyss.
I should say, because I am most familiar with the HD 800, I will do most of comparison with the HD 800.
The first thing I noticed was soundstage. It was TREMENDOUS. It was bordering on HD 800 levels of width and depth with the Burson and even surpassed the HD 800 with the WA5 (just). Instrument separation was good with a nice level of airiness that was close to the HD 800. The attack was nice and fast but I felt the decay was a little robotic and whilst it was very good, didn't offer the same amount of smooth liquid decay that I've grown accustomed to. Imaging however was good but never quite matched the HD 800.
Interestingly, I felt that it sounded quite neutral in comparison to most of the other planar headphones I've heard (although nowhere near HD 800 levels). I felt there was a slight U shaped sound signature although barely. Treble was clear with good extension but not as far reaching as the HD 800. Mids were slightly recessed but detailed and the bass had very good extension with a fair amount of slam. It never reaches the same dark and luscious bass of the LCD 3s. It's more of a technical bass that offers more slam than normal.
Having said that, it fixes almost all of the problems of the LCDs but in turn, loses the qualities that we've come to love from the LCDs. The soundstage that was never there is now present. The sensual tone of the LCD is now replaced with a cleaner more technical tone. I wouldn't go as far as to say that is devoid of euphony, but in truth, it sounded quite plain to me.
As a technical achievement, I'd place it way above the LCD 3. Although, I'd say it was about on par with the HD 800 (with the HD 800 edging forward if sourced well since they scale so incredibly well). However in terms of listening enjoyment, hand me the LCD 3 (or even 2.2) any day.
One thing to note however, was that the Abyss is one power hungry headphone. On the Soloist, it was barely reaching full potential and volume had to cranked way up even on high gain. The WA5 served it a bit more justice but I'd hazard to say it could still improve if powered better. Therefore, there is no point considering using this with a portable setup (unless your idea of a portable setup is a HeadAmp GS-X/Cavalli Amp in a suitcase + a car battery).
Edit: Somebody pointed out that since the Abyss is a direct competitor with the LCD 3, it may be more important to include some more detailed comparison between the Abyss and LCD 3 (which I agree). However, bear in mind that I personally use the HD 800 and I believe the comparison with the HD 800 will be more accurate. But here are my two cents on the Abyss vs. the LCD 3 anyway.
Soundstage, airiness, instrument separation, speed of attack and imaging were all a pretty big improvement upon the LCD 3s.
Tone was more clinical and less euphonic than the LCD 3 but is by no means sterile.
Treble extension was better, more detailed and clearer.
Mids more recessed than LCD 3s and less lush/smooth sounding.
Bass had good slam and extension but ultimately loses to the LCD 3s.
Conclusion (tl;dr)
Disregarding personal sound preferences, the Abyss is easily better than LCD 3, but doesn't quite match the HD 800. For $5000 it's not worth the asking price. Instead, consider buying a Stax SR-009 or a really good setup with the HD 800.
My personal opinion is that is they sold it for $2000 - $2500 (as a basic headphones + cable + storage case) package, they'd sell a lot more units given that they'd become be very competitive with the LCD 3s. By all means, they can still sell the complete package for more, but the ridiculous asking price of an extra $2500 for a stand and a leather satchel is just not justified.
UPDATE (25/06/2013): I have since reauditioned the Abyss on the Cavalli Liquid Glass, and I must say that there's been a big improvement. Soundstage again wider. Instrument depth and separation is surreal. Every positive I mentioned about the Abyss has improved. It's truly amazing and given this, has surpassed the LCD 3s in every way technically (although of course you may still prefer the sound of the LCD 3s).
I believe what we have here is the best planar magnetic headphone in existence at the time of writing. Just as I can say the HD 800 is the best dynamic headphone in existence and the SR-009 is the best electrostatic headphone in existence.
However, an end-game SR-009 setup is still (in my opinion) easily better than an end-game Abyss/HD 800 setup but in terms of the latter two, they are easily on par with one another. Each with their own areas where they excel. For example, I still feel that imaging, detail retrieval, clarity and overall transparency is better with the HD 800 but properly amped, the Abyss is a close contender in those aspects and excels in terms of soundstage, instrument separation and decay.
Bear in mind that what constitutes as "easily better" for a head-fier is quite minimal difference for everybody else and this here is an obvious case of chase that last 1%.
This means that a choice between a setup with the Abyss or the HD 800 is purely down to preferences of sound signature/presentation and price. At $4000 more for equivalent performance, you better really love the sound of the Abyss over the HD 800.
