[gerelmx1986]

 

I don't really get the clarification from him. But I would take where Goldenears refer to as High-Resolution and with the scale of "Dull-Vivid, -5/+5". I would take his "inner Resolution" as the expression of clarity and detail...vivid or dull ?

In this case it looks like he rated it full scale on vivid ? Where Zx1 and A17 only was average

yes got it, thanks, yes i have seen this golden ears scales... LOL the pono got superb rating in fit ad finish??? really??? What? pono looks like a toblerone candy haha

 

[Whitigir]

I dislike PONO as a name....remind me of PORNO...

Friend : What do you listen to in your pocket ?

Me : PORNO ?

........

You are welcome, I am glad my shared finding can help.

 

[djricekcn]

In regards of playback ability, the 45mb/s is good enough since DSD doesn't even need that much to play, class 7 should do it, but i don't thinkt hey even make class 7 anymores and class10 is the slowest from major players.

 

[Whitigir]

my favorite line from the guy preview on ZX2

Getting back to the Noble K10 IEMs, have heard "Echoes" not just in this new Hi-Res Audio digital form, but also in the best vinyl versions using over $12,000 in turntable/cartridge combo and the sound via the NW-ZX2 with Noble K10 and stock cable surpassed my wildest expectation.


Lol....analog vs Digital again......but let's drop it....I will take the 12000$ turntable price vs 1200$ on the ZX2 , then buy a good IEMS and Vynils rips...then bring that everywhere I go...

Sony wins again

 

[MattLanham]

Just a quick question. Does it really matter what class of micro sd card i use in the zx2? Im torn between a lexar 300x (45mb/s) vs 633x (95mb/s). Would it make much of a difference?

 
Bear in mind those speeds are read speeds and not write speeds. Write speeds are something they don't like to accurately publish. Bottom of the page:
http://www.lexar.com/microsd-633x?category=5778
http://www.lexar.com/products/lexar-high-performance-microsdhc-microsdxc-uhs-i-cards-300x?category=5778
 
I would personally buy the 300x and save the money. I really have difficulties believing the player will be doing enough that 45mb/s would slow it down, Let alone whether the reader/writer will even utilize the higher speeds. My Surface Pro has a Sandisk 320x card in it which is constantly saving and reading work files, and that does me fine

 

[gerelmx1986]

I dislike PONO as a name....remind me of PORNO...

Friend : What do you listen to in your pocket ?

Me : PORNO ?

........

You are welcome, I am glad my shared finding can help.

yes hahaha, when i search for pono player using google.com.mx haha it says quziste decir PORNO? (did you mean Porno?) ROFLMAO

 

[Mython]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pono
 
Pono (pronounced [ˈpono]) is a Hawaiian word commonly rendered as "righteousness". For instance, the Hawaii state motto: Ua Mau ke Ea o ka ʻĀina i ka Pono or "The life of the land is perpetuated in righteousness".
 
 
 
 
Back to the ZX2...

 

[harmonix]

No, someone is simply saying a Honda with a 'go-faster' Ferrari bodykit, bigger fuel tank, and ECU remap is still, fundamentally, a Honda and therefore doesn't deserve to be priced much higher than an original Honda :wink_face:

Forgot to ask this - have you had a chance to listen to the zx2 yet? You might change your mind....

 

[harmonix]

Well the proof is in the hearing. Mine got delayed on shipping. I expect that they got more orders than expected. And if it needs an amp for more demanding phones, which 15mW would denote (I didn't realize it had so little power when I ordered it and I don't use IEM's too much), I won't worry. From what I have read the ZX2 should be a fun listen. For a simple just throw in the pocket I like the Alien. 

It's significantly better than he zx1 but ineeds some break in time (100 hrs). You may like it

 

[Mython]

Forgot to ask this - have you had a chance to listen to the zx2 yet? You might change your mind....

 
I intend to, and I genuinely hope it sounds much better than the ZX1 (and if I feel it does, I will honestly acknowledge it), but even if it does, I still stand by my remarks about the pricing.
 
I think many DAP fans are becoming too complacent about overpricing, regardless of the brand or sound. It's not a good direction for the industry to go, and many are casually watching it happen, and even defending it happening. I assure you, I'm not an obnoxious PITA, in person - I've only been vocal about shortcomings and overpricing, in this thread, because I sincerely feel they are legitimate issues to raise. I'm amazed how complacent (some even oblivious) many people are about how much they are being shortchanged and exploited (not just by Sony, but certainly including Sony)
 
 
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[djricekcn]

 It's not a good direction for the industry to go

 
...?  that's how it has always been in the audio industry,since forever

 

[harmonix]

   
I intend to, and I genuinely hope it sounds much better than the ZX1 (and if I feel it does, I will honestly acknowledge it), but even if it does, I still stand by my remarks about the pricing.
 
I think many DAP fans are becoming too complacent about overpricing, regardless of the brand or sound. It's not a good direction for the industry to go.

You are the Ralph Nader of DAPs!
 
Frankly speaking having both - I feel the ZX1 is overpriced while not for the ZX2.... At the same time I don't think the AK240 is worth the price given the SQ. While I don't like to speak of this often neither the ZX2 or the AK240 dents my wallet so while I don't need to care I do... I suspect Sony has done their homework

 

[Mython]

  It's not a good direction for the industry to go

 
 
...?  that's how it has always been in the audio industry,since forever

 

Wow. I guess that must mean it's justified, then...

 

 

[mr-duke]

Sony went into decline by making lacklustre products, not because they 'weren't charging enough' for them. Apple beat them by substantially raising the bar for industrial design, and, as everyone knows, by co-branding the iPod with iTunes, for an extremely successful product ecosystem. Ironically, Apple did this without even owning any of the music rights, per se.
Sony, on the other hand, with extraordinary ineptness, do own massive music rights, yet they have, for years, failed to market both their music, and their associated DAP hardware in anything like as resourceful a manner as Apple's product ecosystem.

Producing isolated flagship products, at inflated prices, does not automatically rectify all of those competitive shortcomings, and, since you mention that the ZX1 suddenly got people interested in Sony again, I have stated on several occasions in this thread, that, IMO (and I am not alone), Sony let down their ZX1 customers by producing a so-called flagship audiophile device, for approx $750, which, at times, can produce a shockingly artificial sound quality, so I challenge the notion that Sony's approach is truly 'working'.








Whilst it might be true that the high-end DAP market isn't an entirely rational market, that doesn't mean all of the DAP-buying public should just quietly suck-it-up without challenging the status quo.

If DAP companies get into the habit of routinely resorting to cheap tactics of overpricing their products, just to make people around the world gasp, get the bling-seekers wetting their underwear, and the inadequates reaching for their chequebooks in a misguided attempt to compensate for their perceived inadequacies, so they can 'be the ultimate', then it's a pretty sorry state of affairs and not a healthy situation.

You seem to feel that I am making a case for Sony lowering their product quality down from TOTL, to middle-quality, but that isn't what I'm saying.

I'm saying Sony have the resources to produce a TOTL quality product without resorting to excessive pricetags.


For example, let's say, hypothetically, I make a product at a net cost of $425 and I sell it for $1000, it doesn't magically make it higher quality than if I sell it at a smaller profit margin, more accessible to the general public, for, say, $700.


I don't mind paying a premium for a premium product.

Here's some things that I do mind, though:

1) Paying a premium price for a product which turns out to sound very much less than a premium product should (ZX1)

2) Being expected to pay an illegitimate premium ON TOP OF an already-premium price (I am referring to excessive the price-hike from ZX1 $750 to ZX2 $1200)

3) Being expected to pay $1200 for a DAP with a rediculously-meagre 15mw+15mw power output, when almost nothing else on the entire market, be it $29 or $2500 has such low output. Yes, it's efficient, but it's also selling customers short.



Then they would serve their brand, and their customers, much better by producing TOTL product at a fair price, rather than treating their customers as though they are too stupid to realise that a bit of goldplating and a few fancy capacitors do not cost $450 extra, to mass-produce.

It's transparently obvious.


A premium brand that will stand the test of time is not built purely upon price.



So far. 

Just because they've managed to get away with it for all of 2 - 3 years does not mean such a money-grabbing business approach will stand the test of time.









Yes, sadly, you may be right.

A company with as great a heritage as Sony should have the integrity to realise that the integrity of their products is not seperate from the integrity of their business approach, and will shine-through without the need to resort to overpricing, to impress the small minority who are impressed by overpricing tactics.


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Stop talking about Sony overpricing this DAP and compare to all kind of CHINESE sh_ it at 4 time lower price! Do you know what it cost to run a service place across a country or the whole world? Where the hell do you repair these cheap Chinese brands? Sending all the way back to China? Sony like all other big brands have established good service point for customers.

In Sweden you got 3 years warranty/reclaim right! Beat it Chinese sh_it!

Same goes for all these cheap flagship Chinese mobilephones at 1/3 price! Yeah you got it cheap or imported but you wont have all the service or support in your country and after all import taxes and shipping cost i doubt it is so much cheaper after all !!

 

[djricekcn]

I didn't say its justified but to me it sounds like you're blaming Sony only for this.  It's also, "not a direction" rather, it's been always there...get my drift?