Jun 18, 2024 at 12:30 AM Post #22,966 of 23,881
Have not tried the Fiio but I have been using mine with a Qudelix 5K for a few years now. Been very happy with it. My Dragonfly Cobalt has been collecting dust since I got the Qudelix 5K.
Yeah I may look into this one, seems like a really good dongle .. always disregarded it as it looks like something I keep spare razor blades in.

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Decided to get the iBasso DC03 Pro for critical listening with the SE846 and use the Go Blu for everything else 👍
 
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Jul 8, 2024 at 8:26 AM Post #22,968 of 23,881
I am 11 years late to the party, but i just bought an SE846 3days ago and thought, why not say hello =)

Initially i was only demoing it for the comfort/isolation, but in the end bought it for the sound.

I feel somehow stupid that this thing exists since 11 years and i could have had it since then and just never bought it... but better late than never.

I am coming from the IER-M9 but owned/tested a ton of other IEM in the meantime and always noticed, i like monitors best (which doesn't come as a too big surprise as i am also making music. I also use studio monitors to listen to music in bed).
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 9:02 AM Post #22,969 of 23,881
I am 11 years late to the party, but i just bought an SE846 3days ago and thought, why not say hello =)

Initially i was only demoing it for the comfort/isolation, but in the end bought it for the sound.

I feel somehow stupid that this thing exists since 11 years and i could have had it since then and just never bought it... but better late than never.

I am coming from the IER-M9 but owned/tested a ton of other IEM in the meantime and always noticed, i like monitors best (which doesn't come as a too big surprise as i am also making music. I also use studio monitors to listen to music in bed).
it is 11 years old, and altough A little bit pricey for the money. It is still a very good sounding IEM and very comfy. I don't own it anymore, but enjoyed the se846 a lot.

It is time Shure came with a se957 or something :p
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 9:18 AM Post #22,970 of 23,881
it is 11 years old, and altough A little bit pricey for the money. It is still a very good sounding IEM and very comfy. I don't own it anymore, but enjoyed the se846 a lot.

It is time Shure came with a se957 or something :p
I am totally satisfied with the 846 the way it is^^ i am using the red filter that comes with the gen 2 installed by default and it has the perfect amount of treble extension to not sound annoying but detailed. Its so tastefully done, Shure did the right thing to only change this and nothing else^^

But marketing wise, you are right. Westone is reselling the exact same IEM since 10 years and just changes the design of the box and the housing and people buy it like fresh cut bread because they think its new *cough* W60 --> Mach 60 *cough* UM Pro 50 --> Pro X50 *cough*
 
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Jul 8, 2024 at 11:30 AM Post #22,971 of 23,881
To find out if i keep the IER-M9 or sell it, i took some time and did the following comparison.

Neumann KH 120 II
Sennheiser HD 490 Pro
Shure SE846
Sony IER-M9

With the サカナクション 15.0 Live BluRay. Its an Studio Live recording, so they played live, but in an Studio Setup. recorded at an award winning Studio and it has insanely high sound quality, they even released it in 96/24. So some serious source material.

The KH 120 II, HD 490 Pro and the SE846 sound insanely close. They are really very very close to an point, where its hard to distinguish them. I call them the reference combo. The IER-M9 is the only one that sounded different.

In direct comparison, the IER-M9 hat a much fatter/bigger (almost boomy) Bass. Also the Treble is more pushed which changes the sound. Not in a negative way, not at all, it sounds pretty good but.... different than the reference combo.

I can listen to the BluRay at an much higher volume with the Reference Combo compared to the IER-M9. Especially the cymbals start to sound noisy and too forward with the IER-M9 and the Bass is getting too strong/loud at a certain point (this Recording has a very strong and forward bass). So the overall balance of this BluRay when turning up the volume is kept much longer with the reference combo than with the IER-M9.

So i cleaned it properly, but it into its box and it is waiting to get sold at 15.07. at e-earphone when there is 5% up^^

That might sound stupid to some, i know, but if something sounds closer to the KH 120 II or the HD 490 Pro (which is basically just the KH 120 II in Headphone form), that is what wins for me personally.

I tested the SE846 with the Red Filter that comes with the Gen2 pre-installed, this would of course have been a different Story using a different filter.
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 11:57 AM Post #22,972 of 23,881
it is 11 years old, and altough A little bit pricey for the money. It is still a very good sounding IEM and very comfy. I don't own it anymore, but enjoyed the se846 a lot.

It is time Shure came with a se957 or something :p
I couldn't agree more, the "true" successor to the SE846 (I don't count the V2 with the red filter as a reset to the life cycle of the SE846) might be the most overdue IEM of all time. I've had them since they first came out (upgrading from the Shure SE535, and Shure E5C before that), back when there were only a handful of options for "high end" IEMs. You really only had Shure, Westone, Ultimate Ears, Etymotic, and a few others to choose from. If you knew what sound signature you liked, the choice was always easy. If you liked "accurate, reference, "cold" IEMs, you went with Etymotic. If you wanted a warmer, bassier sound, Shure was the ticket.

I took a several-years-long hiatus from the world of portable audio since finding my "end-game" IEMs for that period of my life (UE11 Pro and SE846), and didn't feel the need to keep up on all the latest and greatest for a while. Imagine my surprise coming back to Head-Fi after a number of years to find out that the SE846 is STILL Shure's flagship IEM (barring the KSE electrostatics which only half-count since they come with some bulky hardware). When a successor like the "SE957" comes out, I'll be first in line for a pair. Absolutely love the V2 SE846, always have.
 
Jul 8, 2024 at 5:18 PM Post #22,973 of 23,881
I am totally satisfied with the 846 the way it is^^ i am using the red filter that comes with the gen 2 installed by default and it has the perfect amount of treble extension to not sound annoying but detailed. Its so tastefully done, Shure did the right thing to only change this and nothing else^^

But marketing wise, you are right. Westone is reselling the exact same IEM since 10 years and just changes the design of the box and the housing and people buy it like fresh cut bread because they think its new *cough* W60 --> Mach 60 *cough* UM Pro 50 --> Pro X50 *cough*
There are better options, but you pay quite a lot to get there. 64 audio U18t or u12t, fir audio m5. If you compare them to those, the se846 is quite a good deal.

I had the gen2’s but in the end I went back to the white filters again.
Right now I have the u12t’s and the fir audio m5’s

But would love a real upgrade version of a se846, one that provide just that little more stage and air. For the rest they are still a very nice sounding IEM but time has taken it’s toll.

I always say never change a winning team, but the se846 deserves a successor. It was revolutionary when it was launched.
 
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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:50 AM Post #22,974 of 23,881
There are better options, but you pay quite a lot to get there. 64 audio U18t or u12t, fir audio m5. If you compare them to those, the se846 is quite a good deal.
What exactly do you mean with "better"? Compared to what? What is the reference?

They are all less balanced (especially the Fir M5 which is an average fun V-Shaped Earphone with insanely pushed bass and treble)
I had the gen2’s but in the end I went back to the white filters again.
Right now I have the u12t’s and the fir audio m5’s
If those are you reference, the SE846 is, of course, worse. But that is very subjective and only true for you.

For me, Studio Reference Monitors are the reference and compared to these, the SE846 is objectively closer and hence better.
But would love a real upgrade version of a se846, one that provide just that little more stage and air. For the rest they are still a very nice sounding IEM but time has taken it’s toll.
Oh god please no. I am so happy that there are still IEM in existence that do sound good and balanced and do not force you to EQ the treble down to make them sound correct with most of the songs.

I have some reference songs i use to test IEM and one of them is "Let it die" from ReoNa and with that song, the U12t just hurts. It feels like needles in your eardrums when she sings something that contains "s" or "t" and stuff like that.

If the SE846 would not exist, i would go back to the IER-M9 or the Westone Mach 70 but not the U12t/U18t and especially not the Fir M5.

But my reference, as said, is something like the HD 490 Pro, Neumann KH 120 II, PreSonus Studio 8, Yamaha HS-8 and with that reference, the SE846 is the better IEM. Once you got used to an reference sound, everything else just sounds off and unbalanced. So i do not plan to go back to colored IEM
 
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Jul 9, 2024 at 3:50 AM Post #22,975 of 23,881
I still use mine, but with the BT2 wireless adapter (which to me sound better than the Shure's TW adapters). For wired listening I use the IE 900, which are technically better to me. Pretty happy with this combo, as it's hard to beat the SE846 on the go. My WF-1000XM5, while great, can't touch the SE846 sound quality-wise.

When the SE846 originally came out the market was way different. Not that many high-end IEMs. These days, it's flooded, so I'm not surprised that Shure didn't bother with a full-on upgrade on the Gen 2 (despite how annoying it is to us). It seems more cost-effective to them to keep using what they already have designed, and tweak with the filter.

I agree though, I do see the great potential with a successor. It's a shame.
 
Jul 9, 2024 at 3:55 AM Post #22,976 of 23,881
I still use mine, but with the BT2 wireless adapter (which to me sound better than the Shure's TW adapters). For wired listening I use the IE 900, which are technically better to me. Pretty happy with this combo, as it's hard to beat the SE846 on the go. My WF-1000XM5, while great, can't touch the SE846 sound quality-wise.

When the SE846 originally came out the market was way different. Not that many high-end IEMs. These days, it's flooded, so I'm not surprised that Shure didn't bother with a full-on upgrade on the Gen 2 (despite how annoying it is to us). It seems more cost-effective to them to keep using what they already have designed, and tweak with the filter.

I agree though, I do see the great potential with a successor. It's a shame.
I think its because of the target group. The SE846 is marketed and sold as an professional monitor.

The direct competitor for the SE846 is the IE 400 Pro and not the IE 900. Nobody who wants an professional monitor would ever buy the IE 900.

And the sound of reference monitors did not change (and will never change, flat is flat. That is something objective). Westone didn't upgrade the Sound of their IEM in the last 10 years either, why would Shure do that?

Most of those High End IEM that changed the world and redefined the reference are long forgotten. First everyone tried to copy monitors, then everyone tried to copy Harman and now where everything sounds like harman, they are going slowly back to monitor reference sounds.

Wait another 5-10 years and most IEM will sound like the SE846 again. Then Shure will release the Gen 3 of it where nothing is changed except the packaging and everyone will buy it again.
 
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Jul 9, 2024 at 4:40 AM Post #22,977 of 23,881
I think its because of the target group. The SE846 is marketed and sold as an professional monitor.

The direct competitor for the SE846 is the IE 400 Pro and not the IE 900. Nobody who wants an professional monitor would ever buy the IE 900.

And the sound of reference monitors did not change (and will never change, flat is flat. That is something objective). Westone didn't upgrade the Sound of their IEM in the last 10 years either, why would Shure do that?

Most of those High End IEM that changed the world and redefined the reference are long forgotten. First everyone tried to copy monitors, then everyone tried to copy Harman and now where everything sounds like harman, they are going slowly back to monitor reference sounds.

Wait another 5-10 years and most IEM will sound like the SE846 again. Then Shure will release the Gen 3 of it where nothing is changed except the packaging and everyone will buy it again.
The sound of the se846 can be neutral to warm, but where thr se846 falls short is detail seperation. You always hear the same comments but then it will get simbilant, you get too much treble, which just isn’t true.

(Most of the time, well many times the source itself is too blame for beeing simbilant, giving fatique, or treble hot.)

I don’t say the se846 is bad, I like it sounds signature too, but the moment I put my fir audio m5 in, with tubeless BA, I get the same neutrallitty, smoothness, but stage and air around instruments as well. That also counts for the u12t or u18t
 
Jul 9, 2024 at 6:03 AM Post #22,978 of 23,881
The sound of the se846 can be neutral to warm, but where thr se846 falls short is detail seperation. You always hear the same comments but then it will get simbilant, you get too much treble, which just isn’t true.
What exactly do you mean with "It falls short"? Again, compared to what? Neither the M5, nor the U12t or the U18t have an reference sound. The U18t is the closest of them, but even this one fails so you can not judge if it falls short based on these.

The SE846 has the exact same amount of detail separation as Professional Studio Monitors that are used to make music. So it has the correct amount of detail separation. If that amount is sufficient for you personally is a completely different story but you can not say, it falls short because it has exactly the amount it should have.
I don’t say the se846 is bad, I like it sounds signature too, but the moment I put my fir audio m5 in, with tubeless BA, I get the same neutrallitty, smoothness, but stage and air around instruments as well. That also counts for the u12t or u18t
How are you able to get neutrality out of an M5?^^ Are you EQing it? It was made to not sound neutral, if it sounds neutral, it is probably broken^^

I never heard anyone call the M5 neutral and i doubt that anyone got it to sound neutral. You buy the M5 for its fun V-Shape sound, you do not want an neutral sound from an M5.

The closest 64audio that comes to an reference sound maybe the A18t or the A18s (i do not remember which one) but this one has a bit too strongly pushed bass. But except for that, they sounded pretty good.

Sadly with the Universal versions, because they are only bought by audiophiles, 64audio decided to push upper mids/lower treble on almost all of these...

Also they are way to expensive for their performance. The IER-M9 easily beats the A18 for less than half the price with only 5 drivers. Not sure what 64audio is doing wrong that they need 18 drivers for an 4-way(!) system. they have 2x8 Drivers playing the exact same sound... what a waste
 
Jul 9, 2024 at 6:31 AM Post #22,979 of 23,881
What exactly do you mean with "It falls short"? Again, compared to what? Neither the M5, nor the U12t or the U18t have an reference sound. The U18t is the closest of them, but even this one fails so you can not judge if it falls short based on these.

The SE846 has the exact same amount of detail separation as Professional Studio Monitors that are used to make music. So it has the correct amount of detail separation. If that amount is sufficient for you personally is a completely different story but you can not say, it falls short because it has exactly the amount it should have.

How are you able to get neutrality out of an M5?^^ Are you EQing it? It was made to not sound neutral, if it sounds neutral, it is probably broken^^

I never heard anyone call the M5 neutral and i doubt that anyone got it to sound neutral. You buy the M5 for its fun V-Shape sound, you do not want an neutral sound from an M5.

The closest 64audio that comes to an reference sound maybe the A18t or the A18s (i do not remember which one) but this one has a bit too strongly pushed bass. But except for that, they sounded pretty good.

Sadly with the Universal versions, because they are only bought by audiophiles, 64audio decided to push upper mids/lower treble on almost all of these...

Also they are way to expensive for their performance. The IER-M9 easily beats the A18 for less than half the price with only 5 drivers. Not sure what 64audio is doing wrong that they need 18 drivers for an 4-way(!) system. they have 2x8 Drivers playing the exact same sound... what a waste
The M5, is Neutral with a tint of warmth with the right source. so not completely neutral no, but neither is the se846. Totally flat can be boring in the long run, good for recording not so for music.

I hate DAPs like IBasso which gives a tint of annoying focus on the bass (YES it does, or I am sensitive to it). In the past this annoying focus on bass from DAPS as IBasso, Shanling, Fiio (I am talking about the flagship models) have costs me many IEM I sold and money on sold DAP's, because I thought they had some annoying bass issue.

Maybe it is me, but why do so many people want to hear bass this way?, even if it bleeds into the mids, and that constantly push on your eardrums? Yes I like layering in the bass, but not when it pierce out my eardrums? Hence I only like open ear headphones and IEM's that have some pressure relieve.

Now I use a DAP's as de Sp2000 (will be replaced for sp3000), I also use my TT2+mscaler, even my old se200, sounds clean and clear with the M5, or M4 or u12t And many IEM's I didn't like in the past, I actually like a lot now. That's why I said the source is maybe even more important than IEM alone. I can hear that with my u12t and M5, on my tt2+mscaler it is like I bought different IEM's,

But the seperation can be better than the se846 (not saying it is not existent), if I would describe best I would say it is a softdome tweeter (with just a little too much smoothness at some points). You could compare it in speakers to the implementation as dynaudio does it, compared to a sonus faber (flagship) sonus faber is soft but very very airy and clear, where the dynaudio is a little bit more smooth (in this case as the se846, even with the white tube's)

But I myself am very picky on clearness, because at home I listen to Martin Logan ESL electrostats, and that clearness and fast seperation I am looking for in headphones as well.

I am very curious about the IER-M9, never had the change to hear them. with high end IEM it is quite annoying sometimes having to use stealth to find shops that sell them. they are not in price ranged where you think ahhh let's spend 1500 and take a gamble.
 
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Jul 9, 2024 at 6:33 AM Post #22,980 of 23,881
@Vamp898 I appreciate your point of view, but audio is not as objective as you make it out to be. There is no true neutral sound. If you had any actual experience in the pro audio field, you would know that most professional musicians don't care too much about transducers in general. They just want to make music.

In my opinion the Shure Se846 has good build quality and fit and the name Shure is printed on it and that's why they are still somewhat relevant. I use them for drumming myself. But they do sound quite dull. They have practically no extension in the highs, even with the white or red filters, and the bass is quite muddy without EQ. I use the white filters exclusively, as the sound is the most clear to me like that, but it still somewhat muddy and boxed in overall, but servicable.
Most pro musicians use custom fit IEMs now, which Shure does not even sell.

The sound quality is just not on par to the latest pro-audio releases on the market and therefore I think the Shure SE846 is way overpriced.
 
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