[ericpalonen]

Yep, a step back in terms of design for sure... they look more like the lower-tier now. I don't care about folding because folding means more joints and more prone to creaking or breaking (see XM3/4). But using that classic yoke design when everybody else is using single contact joint between cup and headband is so last decade...

The single hinge fits a wider range of facial angles for a much more universal (see also: better) seal. Lateral pressure is evenly distributed to the earcups for doing the coupling they were intended to do. Fit and finish in the hand is waaaay more premium.

 

[bizkid]

At first i was a bit irritated by the design but I started to like it somehow after a few days. Can't wait to get them on my ears once they are released, i'm hyped. I just hope they are not a downgrade in sound compared to the 3s, but i highly doubt that

 

[scarfacegt]

Coming soon...

Im waiting for the pre-order .Have heard that they might sell for 349 euro,and if its right,i think they will be an good deal.Bougth the sony xm5s for my daughter,and they cost 502 euros,wich is too expensive.I just hope the momentums have stroong anc like the xm5s

 

[KopaneDePooj]

The single hinge fits a wider range of facial angles for a much more universal (see also: better) seal. Lateral pressure is evenly distributed to the earcups for doing the coupling they were intended to do. Fit and finish in the hand is waaaay more premium.

Then I'm confused here, doesn't M4 feature double not single hinge? Single being the better one?
That's what I was intrigued about, why they don't use single hinge as B&W, APM, B&O, XM5.

 

[ericpalonen]

Im waiting for the pre-order .Have heard that they might sell for 349 euro,and if its right,i think they will be an good deal.Bougth the sony xm5s for my daughter,and they cost 502 euros,wich is too expensive.I just hope the momentums have stroong anc like the xm5s

The ANC is

 

[ericpalonen]

Then I'm confused here, doesn't M4 feature double not single hinge? Single being the better one?
That's what I was intrigued about, why they don't use single hinge as B&W, APP, B&O, XM5.

Sorry I did not clarify (I am trying not to share too much before the official reveal). There is indeed another pivot point on the termination of the "Y" yolk on each earcup for vertical alignment. The pivot point I'm referring to that allows for lateral "swinging" (the kind that also let's them lay flat) is highlighted here and it makes a world of positive difference. Hope this clarifies. Next week I'll be able to share much, much more as I have some in hand

*cough* Tour *cough* Pictures *cough* specs

 

[scarfacegt]

Im going to pre-order them right away they are available,but i do hope there are some reviews coming soon

 

[KopaneDePooj]

Thanks @ericpalonen !
One more question, if you can answer pre-release how does the inner ear-pads size / ear space compare to the M3?

 

[KopaneDePooj]

I just hope they are not a downgrade in sound compared to the 3s, but i highly doubt that

Depends what downgrade means to you. For me the M3 is tuned much, much too V-shaped. So I'd like a "downgrade" if that means getting the sound more in line with Senn classic house sound. A HD650 tunning with a bit more bass would be ideal.

 

[ericpalonen]

Bluetooth LE Audio and related LC3

Sink and source devices must both support LE Audio (and thus related LC3) in order for the user to get the benefits of the LE spec's low-power, narrow bandwidth consumption; while it is expected that in a few years many new full-featured audio devices will support it, it will take a while for the "both of my devices support it" scenario to become ubiquitous. Many audio device manufacturers will keep on using Bluetooth Classic (with say, the advantages of AptX adaptive's fidelity and latency), and over time some will include both LE Audio and Classic so that you're always getting the best possible BT performance.

Thanks @ericpalonen !
One more question, if you can answer pre-release how does the inner ear-pads size / ear space compare to the M3?

I'm actually trying to track down an M3W so that I can bust out the calipers. More to come ASAP

To me the new pads feel bigger with beefier cushioning than the M3W, but will let the numbers speak as I'm going off memory. Passive isolation and seal on the new kid on the block is ...the articulating hinge is a logical and effective step up from the M3W track system, IMHO, and greatly enhances contact surface area.

 

[bizkid]

Depends what downgrade means to you. For me the M3 is tuned much, much too V-shaped. So I'd like a "downgrade" if that means getting the sound more in line with Senn classic house sound. A HD650 tunning with a bit more bass would be ideal.

Well it definately had way too much bass but it was soooo easily dialed down with the EQ that came a bit later as an update. And today we have the hifi tuning. Treble was actually slightly subdued compared to many competitors, i EQ it up a notch and i usually hate trebly headphones. Sorry but i'm not a fan of the HD650 tuning at all... just extremly boring to me personally but i know many people love it. Also the M3 has more holographic imaging compared to the HD650 unless you run the HD650 on a $$$ tube amp. I really hope they kept that aspect as it gave me many goosbumps.

 

[MayaTlab]

The single hinge fits a wider range of facial angles for a much more universal (see also: better) seal. Lateral pressure is evenly distributed to the earcups for doing the coupling they were intended to do. Fit and finish in the hand is waaaay more premium.

You have no idea how utterly delighted I am to see the M4 sporting a classic Y shaped yoke design (remains to be seen what the effective range of motion is and whether or not the mechanism has any friction / resistance one way or another, and how this specific aspect of the design interacts with the rest though).
The classic Y shaped yoke is a trait of design genius that is, IMO, severely underrated. Other than some variations around it in the form of an S shaped yoke with one attachment point (ex : B&W's headphones - but crucially not the HD5... series as the yoke design lacks range of motion upwards for me) most attempts at producing something different that I've been able to experience so far have been dumbly disastrous one way or another, even when a company has a lot of resources and designers at hand (Apple with the AirPods Max notably - I'm quite impressed by what the engineers coaxed out of that terrible design though).

Thanks @ericpalonen !
One more question, if you can answer pre-release how does the inner ear-pads size / ear space compare to the M3?

If I may, simplistic measurements such as opening size or depth are inappropriate to determine exactly how comfortable a pair of headphones are or how your ears will fit into the cavity. Ex : the Austrian Audio Hi-X65's pads have a larger opening and are "deeper" than the Bose QC45 (and 35/25/older), and yet it's on the Hi-X65 that my ears touch the fabric cover over the driver, and not on the QC45.
The latter is, in my opinion, and example to follow in terms of earcup packaging - at least comfort and portability -wise (quite a few issues otherwise such as the pad attachment mechanism). It's a really clever design that puts the maximum amount of space possible where it's really needed (earlobe) while minimising wasted empty space where it isn't. That it sports design principles Bose invented more maybe more than two decades ago and still is yet to be properly copied or even bettered is a little puzzling to me.

 

[ericpalonen]

You have no idea how utterly delighted I am to see the M4 sporting a classic Y shaped yoke design (remains to be seen what the effective range of motion is and whether or not the mechanism has any friction / resistance one way or another, and how this specific aspect of the design interacts with the rest though).

It is sublime. Been putting a set through their paces...these might be the new daily driver jack-of-all-trades for me. More to come early this week.

 

[nuxos]

Can't wait for the official launch

 

[C_Lindbergh]

Plz, let them have the new top tier Qualcomm SoC (QCC5171)! Even tho i doubt it LC3/Bluetooth LE will finally hit newer Android devices with Android 13 later this year, I also guess the new Iphone 14 will support it.

Tomorrow is the 9th of Aug, hopefully its the day for the unviel like the rumour indicated