[MacedonianHero]

  Fantastic, thank you for the feedback

 
No problem...you should love the combo! 

 

[geocleojohn]

no customs fees from Germany to USA  and Meir Audio was excellent to deal with

 

[robm321]

Good to know.

 

[Christer]

Nice to get a review from someone with THE  REAL HI FI  REFERENCE, acoustic music, here for a change!
To me all else is just how people like  their distortions to sound.
Most POP ROCK RAP AND even more so horribly distorted ELECTRONICA is completely unsuitable for comparing HIGH END HI FI. And HD 800 the old one which I have used since its release on an almost daily basis is about as good as dynamic headphones get imo.
But I would like to compare it more to the new one and also HEK from Hifiman.
Have you compared the two Sennheisers to the HEK?

 

[SSL443]

  Nice to get a review from someone with THE  REAL HI FI  REFERENCE, acoustic music, here for a change!
To me all else is just how people like  their distortions to sound.
Most POP ROCK RAP AND even more so horribly distorted ELECTRONICA is completely unsuitable for comparing HIGH END HI FI. And HD 800 the old one which I have used since its release on an almost daily basis is about as good as dynamic headphones get imo.
But I would like to compare it more to the new one and also HEK from Hifiman.
Have you compared the two Sennheisers to the HEK?

 
As far as I'm concerned, nothing after Hildegard of Bingen has been music in the fullest sense of the word. "Just distortions" is a great way to put it!

 

[disastermouse]

   
As far as I'm concerned, nothing after Hildegard of Bingen has been music in the fullest sense of the word. "Just distortions" is a great way to put it!

Oh wow. What about world music?

 

[obsidyen]

   
As far as I'm concerned, nothing after Hildegard of Bingen has been music in the fullest sense of the word. "Just distortions" is a great way to put it!

Wow, you've just taken audio snobbery to a whole new level.

 

[TonyNewman]

  Wow, you've just taken audio snobbery to a whole new level.

 
+1. Not a good look at all for the hobby or the people in it.

 

[daltonljj]

   
+1. Not a good look at all for the hobby or the people in it.

+1 guess it was troll .. haha

 

[TonyNewman]

  +1 guess it was troll .. haha

 
Maybe so. If it was this isn't the forum for trolling - that sort of thing tends to attract pretty swift action from the mods.

 

[Dobrescu George]

   
As far as I'm concerned, nothing after Hildegard of Bingen has been music in the fullest sense of the word. "Just distortions" is a great way to put it!

Really?
 
What you like and consider music does not mean at all that something is or not music. I can understand how even grindcore is music, or dubstep or types of electronica not based off an already existent instrument (synth can be an instrument though?). You really need to open the mind and ignore little details such as how distortion was used, because it is evolution afterall (electric guitar distortion effects are practically everywhere, and I love these things).
 
 

  Nice to get a review from someone with THE  REAL HI FI  REFERENCE, acoustic music, here for a change!
To me all else is just how people like  their distortions to sound.
Most POP ROCK RAP AND even more so horribly distorted ELECTRONICA is completely unsuitable for comparing HIGH END HI FI. And HD 800 the old one which I have used since its release on an almost daily basis is about as good as dynamic headphones get imo.
But I would like to compare it more to the new one and also HEK from Hifiman.
Have you compared the two Sennheisers to the HEK?

 
Well, I listen mostly to Pop, Rock, Metal, Rap, Electronica and their subgeneres. But I also listen to classical and acoustic pieces and to symphonic music. All music has it's own beauty, it's own soul, it's own thing going on. Yes, most used a form of shaping noise and distortion to make certain effects, like distorts for guitars, or bass effects in Electronica subgenera, etc. But dude I love metal music, and a metal solo is un-comparable in means of energy and raw feeling it gives to the listener. Neither is the serenity of a classical piece. Every type of music has it's own wonder about it, and opening to new types of music can always make one's life better

 
As long as most people who buy headphones listen to the mentioned genera, all headphones should reproduce all genera well, to be considered good headphones. There is always EQ for altering the other part of the problem. 

 

[Whazzzup]

I guess I got 70 gigs of crap.:eek:

 

[Mortalcoil]

   
As far as I'm concerned, nothing after Hildegard of Bingen has been music in the fullest sense of the word. "Just distortions" is a great way to put it!

 
I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that this post was all in good fun,  considering Saint Hildegard has been dead since 1179.  Or if not in jest perhaps eluding that since early music composition all music is merely a "distortion" as the OP puts it.
 
His take on "distortion" referring to a stylistic and compositional evolution.
 
That the early music of Hildegards time has evolved from its infant form to what we have today.  This early music was a building block in the road to modern music as we know it....a "distortion" if you will.
 

I guess I got 70 gigs of crap.

 
You finally admit it ..........about time.

 

 

[Nicklikesmusic]

I guess I got 70 gigs of crap.

Possibly I have another few gigs of crap here but it is interesting crap (to me anyway). I found another graph which shows average hearing loss vs age for an extended frequency range. Check out the graph for age = 40.  There is a major dip @ approximately 6KHZ (the dreaded peak). This dip due to hearing loss is at least 4+dB lower than the value @ 8Khz . Hence the required peak by at least 4dB on the HD800.The HD800 curve must then decrease (as it does) to counter the increased hearing amplitude @ 8Khz. Then the HD800 curve increases again to compensate for the rolloff shortly after. It's uncanny how the curves match the HD800 frequency response when the ears increased response for speech frequencies is factored in. To me it is a no brainer that the original HD800 was designed for a slightly older age demographic and the HD800S for a new target younger audience or lucky older people with great hearing.
Now looking at the age = 30 graph you can see that the  6 kHz peak needs to be much less but it still needs to be there ( hence the peak still recorded on real HD800S graphs not averaged).
If the headphone was designed for a 20 year old then there needs to be hardly any peak at all for a flat response but Mr Senn knows that comparatively few 20 year olds would be willing/ able to come up with the large cash outlay for an HD800Z and it makes no business sense. Just reading from the graph here (and I know this is just one graph), but..
If you were 50 years old or had really damaged hearing then possibly the 6 kHz peak  you would still hear as bothersome as you can no longer hear the strong 10K-12K high frequencies to balance it hence Sennheisers masking effect marketing may have some real basis! (Maybe I am reaching a bit on this last one)..
Enough graph rubbish from me, back to listening to music

 

[Youth]

  If the headphone was designed for a 20 year old then there needs to be hardly any peak at all for a flat response but Mr Senn knows that comparatively few 20 year olds would be willing/ able to come up with the large cash outlay for an HD800Z and it makes no business sense. 
 

 
I would