SunshineReggae
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Matt is right. After seven months of use, the HD650 engages super mode and everything all of a sudden sounds way more awesome than before.
The differences in pairs has been measured too. Not between the black and silver versions. Then again could be variations in pad use, but is that really enough to alter a measurement?
My last two pairs had a mid-bass hump and were dark. Not this one. Weird.
Oh and by mid-bass hump I mean that it sticks out like a sore thumb. This one seems really smooth and flat with slightly reduced treble. Not dark. This one also has no majorly recessed upper mids. Pretty clear too, but not crystal clear. It's soundstage is actually larger and more accurate than my HD-600/580.
There's never been a headphone in existence that didn't vary from one to the next. Some vary more than others. Driver QC and driver matching are very important and have a huge effect on the consistency of a company's offerings but no one is totally exempt from it regardless of how much they invest into minimizing it. You seem quite sensitive to small changes in sound signature so I don't doubt you've experienced differences from one to the next.
Electrostatic and planar magnetic drivers may have less variance than dynamic drivers, I'm not sure, but I doubt it.
On the topic of the Sennheiser veil... the problem with that argument is that people present it as a technical failure of the 650 (or it is read as such) when it is obviously simply a matter of subjective taste. If you are used to, and prefer, bright headphones, you will likely experience a "veil" in the upper frequencies of the 650. This is to be expected. Its not that the 650 has a problem... its that you don't prefer the sound of the 650. To each his own. (This isn't directed at any of you, just at the "veil" issue in general).
Beyer doesn't exactly have the highest QC when it comes to driver matching.
Question: How is there so much variance in driver frequency response that driver matching is a necessity?
The answer to *why* there is variance would probably need to be answered by an engineer who understands the manufacturing processes and materials used in dynamic drivers. All I know is that variance does exist, and *always* exists, to some degree or another. No manufacturer or driver model is immune to it.
I wouldn't say Beyer has poor driver matching. I've never experienced mismatched drivers in a Beyer headphone and haven't heard any reports of that. Its driver *variance* that is quite common in some Beyers, meaning the variance exists between two heaphones of the same model, as opposed to two drivers within the same headphone.
In the example of the 770/880/990 lines, which share the same basic driver, there seems to be more reports of variances in the 770s and 990s than there is with the 880s, and the 770s seem to have the most variance of the three, leading me to believe that Beyer saves the more consistent drivers for the 880 while the 770 (the cheapest of the three) gets the most inconsistent drivers. The 880 is the most neutral of the three and is marketed heavily to studios and professional applications so it would make sense that Beyer would consider consistency to be most important in that model.
However, despite the variance among some Beyers, a single Beyer headphone will still be fitted with two matched drivers that have matching sound signatures.
Man, I really don't know how anyone could think the HD600 has more bass than the HD650. That just seems ludicrous to me. I know about driver variation and all that jazz, but I can't honestly believe that any revision of the HD600 is bassier than any revision of the HD650, variation included.
I've had the same feeling regarding the 650s. Mine are also about 7 months old (bought from new and partnered with a Graham Slee Solo SRG). I came back to them recently after a couple of weeks off listening and did some extended listening and they really seemed to have opened up. Much airier in general. I am a fan of the sennheiser sound as a whole and have heard what other have called 'veil' ( I actually rather like not having my ears destroyed by treble) but I find it much less noticeable now.
Things can only get better...
Which IEM do you guys think is the closest sounding to the HD650? Like having an HD650 in a IEM shell (as close as possible, obviously)? So far, from all the IEMs I've tried, the closest for me seems to be the Yamaha EPH-100...
Yeah, it's weird right? I'm thinking the same thing. I think the problem with my HD-600 is that it's mid-bass isn't really as well controlled. This crazy HD-650 has some of the most accurate and well controlled bass i've heard. Makes no sense. No mid-bass emphasis at all! My HD-650 actually sounds exactly like a clearer and more refined HD-580. I know that's hard to believe. About the same amount of bass and treble!! Soundstage is also better compared to the HD-600. That'll be hard for almost anyone to believe.
Actually what surprised me is that this HD-650 clearly has more low bass presence than my HD-600/580. Not that much more, but it's nice.
If you've only heard an HD-650 that has a mid-bass emphasis that sticks out like a sore thumb (like my last 2 pairs), then you'd be surprised what this pair sounds like. It also not VERY warm, but just about perfect. Can't even call it dark but pretty close. Not sure what Sennheiser did and all my gear is mostly the same.
I swear i've seen some graphs that shows the HD-600 having more mid-bass than the HD-650, but not sure where I saw that. I know my HD-580 has less bass than my HD-600 too. Just very slightly!
Check out this graph:
http://www.geocities.jp/mister_terch/SENNHEISERHD580.html
Probably not accurate, but who knows..
(comparison to HD-650)
Have to say after having two HD-650s previously, I'm surprised how much I like this HD-650 purchased in late 2012 (NEW).