Sennheiser HD 600 Impressions Thread
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This seems to be a major point of discussion and disagreement, ‘veiled treble’. I guess unless I hear for myself I won’t know. So I need to demo both side by side.
Thanks very much for the reply
Depends on the equipment. If you have a fairly basic set up that's bright - the 650 can be a fine match. But if you have equipment that reveals details at a high level and in sum is not bright it's a wet blanket on the sound. IMO it is easily detectable and it is a coloration.
 
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Whether the HD600 / HD650 / HD6XX - the Custom Cans UK CNC-backweight, driver side foam removal, earside foam removal, earside fine mesh replacement will remove veiling:
Are you saying 600's are veiled? Or they will be less veiled with these mods? I agree on the foam mods. Haven't tried the mesh change and not tried the CNC but heard good things from trusted ears - and I am a big fan of Custom Cans. BTW, those do not look like custom cans cables.
 
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Are you saying 600's are veiled? Or they will be less veiled with these mods? I agree on the foam mods. Haven't tried the mesh change and not tried the CNC but heard good things from trusted ears - and I am a big fan of Custom Cans. BTW, those do not look like custom cans cables.
I have not thought of the stock 600s as veiled. Sometimes soft - depends on the recording. The mesh substitution is ☑️. Not a window on the sound - but the sound! The cables are Norne Audio Vygarde.
 
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I have not thought of the stock 600s as veiled. Sometimes soft - depends on the recording. The mesh substitution is ☑️. Not a window on the sound - but the sound! The cables are Norne Audio Vygarde.
I will put that mesh change to at the top of my too do list.

Have you tried the CC cable? My balanced CC is certainly better than the stock SE. Although much of that is my Rag 1 balanced > SE. I DIY'd a set of Mogami Gold to XLR/3.5mm gold over cooper. They do sound different because of the slight drop in the high treble - so they gave a slight darker Audeze audiophile sort of sound but are not better than the CC unless your system has too much heat in the highs. And it's subtle believe me, EQ if you need to get serious.
 
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I will put that mesh change to at the top of my too do list.

Have you tried the CC cable? My balanced CC is certainly better than the stock SE. Although much of that is my Rag 1 balanced > SE. I DIY'd a set of Mogami Gold to XLR/3.5mm gold over cooper. They do sound different because of the slight drop in the high treble - so they gave a slight darker Audeze audiophile sort of sound but are not better than the CC unless your system has too much heat in the highs. And it's subtle believe me, EQ if you need to get serious.
• I bought the mesh at Michael’s - a craft store / chain. It was < $5 for two yards. Plenty for 2 HD600 and 2 HD6XX with a fair amount left (in case it’s time for ‘fresh mesh’!). A great modification - if I say so myself 🤗.
• I have a SE Custom Cans cable for the HD600 / HD6XX. It is excellent. At our Laurel Mountain getaway home, the system is: Cambridge Audio 840C CD player, Violectric V200 / Schiit Lyr 3 (w/ KenRad 6C5 s), Custom Cans UK cable, Senn HD600 / Senn HD6XX ========> 🎼😀🎶.
 
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• I bought the mesh at Michael’s - a craft store / chain. It was < $5 for two yards. Plenty for 2 HD600 and 2 HD6XX with a fair amount left (in case it’s time for ‘fresh mesh’!). A great modification - if I say so myself 🤗.
• I have a SE Custom Cans cable for the HD600 / HD6XX. It is excellent. At our Laurel Mountain getaway home, the system is: Cambridge Audio 840C CD player, Violectric V200 / Schiit Lyr 3 (w/ KenRad 6C5 s), Custom Cans UK cable, Senn HD600 / Senn HD6XX ========> 🎼😀🎶.
I'd expect Michael's to have multiple types, no?

I have a place at Laurel Mnt! What is your exact address? 😜😊
 
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I'd expect Michael's to have multiple types, no? I have a place there! What is your exact address? 😜😊
There will be multiple types of mesh. I purchased the fine black mesh with the diamond / square / rectangular weave: rather like a lady’s veil at a funeral…😳🤷🏻‍♂️.
 
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I prefer the detail and soundstage of my Presonus HD7 Superlux 681B clones.

Are 600's similar, but better, in sq?
Looking for a $500 open ear set.
 
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I prefer the detail and soundstage of my Presonus HD7 Superlux 681B clones.

Are 600's similar, but better, in sq?
Looking for a $500 open ear set.
If you already know you prefer your 681B clones then why not stay with them? The HD600’s do a lot of things right and very little wrong, however they are definitely for listening to music - they are not for creating a super-detailed soundstage. They have as much detail as you could reasonably want, but it is not highlighted. Nor is the soundstage gigantic, but no headphones really are when compared to a well set up 2 channel system, at least not to my ear. I personally think of the HD600s as a way to listen deliciously and intimately, at which they excel, and while I think they are fantastic, they wouldn’t be my first choice for someone whose primary interest is soundstage.
 
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I have not thought of the stock 600s as veiled. Sometimes soft - depends on the recording. The mesh substitution is ☑️. Not a window on the sound - but the sound! The cables are Norne Audio Vygarde.

Vygarde is the price to performance GOAT.
 
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I've owned the HD600 before and wasn't impressed. It was flat and un-engaging running from a Modi MB 2 -> Vali 2. I simply could not understand why people raved about them.

Last week I bought a new pair at a good price. Totally different experience. The SPL Phonitor has brought it to life. I haven't had them long enough to make detailed comments, but a few initial observations:

1. The tonal balance of the HD600 is just about perfect
2. Related to the above, these are also less fatiguing than the OG Focal Clears
3. I've never been entirely happy with the way headphones reproduce Renaissance choral music. The HD600s are just right, presenting sparkling treble with no graininess.
4. The HD600s don't match the dynamic heft, imaging or detail extraction of the Focal Clears
5. That said, I think I prefer the HD600s to the Clear LOL. Why? Its superior tonal balance. I listen to music for enjoyment, not the technical evaluation of recording quality. The HD600s are the more enjoyable experience imo.

I'm a believer. The HD600s scale extremely well according to the amp. I've just ordered a pair of HD6XX, another headphone I've owned before but that have similarly underwhelmed me. Hoping that the Phonitor can work its magic on the HD6XX as well.
 
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I've owned the HD600 before and wasn't impressed. It was flat and un-engaging running from a Modi MB 2 -> Vali 2. I simply could not understand why people raved about them.

Last week I bought a new pair at a good price. Totally different experience. The SPL Phonitor has brought it to life. I haven't had them long enough to make detailed comments, but a few initial observations:

1. The tonal balance of the HD600 is just about perfect
2. Related to the above, these are also less fatiguing than the OG Focal Clears
3. I've never been entirely happy with the way headphones reproduce Renaissance choral music. The HD600s are just right, presenting sparkling treble with no graininess.
4. The HD600s don't match the dynamic heft, imaging or detail extraction of the Focal Clears
5. That said, I think I prefer the HD600s to the Clear LOL. Why? Its superior tonal balance. I listen to music for enjoyment, not the technical evaluation of recording quality. The HD600s are the more enjoyable experience imo.

I'm a believer. The HD600s scale extremely well according to the amp. I've just ordered a pair of HD6XX, another headphone I've owned before but that have similarly underwhelmed me. Hoping that the Phonitor can work its magic on the HD6XX as well.
Thanks for impressions!
Try it also with tube amp and it will impress you much more🤘💣🎧
 
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Thanks @kibot

Not all tube amps are created equal. I didn't like the HD600 from the Vali and I didn't love the HD650 from the Bottlehead Crack. If tube nervosa weren't a thing I'd probably have spent $3k plus on something special like an Eddie Current amp, but the tube gods' demands are many and the pit of tube despair is deep (for me). Actually, I spent $3k on a GlennOTL with more trimmings than a thanksgiving dinner, but backed out at the last minute.

I'm sure you're right, but I'm very happy with my Phonitor.
 
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I've owned the HD600 before and wasn't impressed. It was flat and un-engaging running from a Modi MB 2 -> Vali 2. I simply could not understand why people raved about them.

Last week I bought a new pair at a good price. Totally different experience. The SPL Phonitor has brought it to life. I haven't had them long enough to make detailed comments, but a few initial observations:

1. The tonal balance of the HD600 is just about perfect
2. Related to the above, these are also less fatiguing than the OG Focal Clears
3. I've never been entirely happy with the way headphones reproduce Renaissance choral music. The HD600s are just right, presenting sparkling treble with no graininess.
4. The HD600s don't match the dynamic heft, imaging or detail extraction of the Focal Clears
5. That said, I think I prefer the HD600s to the Clear LOL. Why? Its superior tonal balance. I listen to music for enjoyment, not the technical evaluation of recording quality. The HD600s are the more enjoyable experience imo.

I'm a believer. The HD600s scale extremely well according to the amp. I've just ordered a pair of HD6XX, another headphone I've owned before but that have similarly underwhelmed me. Hoping that the Phonitor can work its magic on the HD6XX as well.
I have been touting the importance of amplification (especially for HD600s) forever. Now you’ve experienced it for yourself. I also agree with your position on tubes - I did the all-tube analog thing for 40 years, and indeed the tube gods are nothing if not fickle. Anyway, otl tube amps are great, but they are not the only way to get good results out of 300 ohm Sennheisers - you just need an amp with a good stiff power supply which will not waver when facing a difficult and ever-dynamic resistance curve. I would think your SPL is an excellent choice.
 
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I've owned the HD600 before and wasn't impressed. It was flat and un-engaging running from a Modi MB 2 -> Vali 2. I simply could not understand why people raved about them.

Last week I bought a new pair at a good price. Totally different experience. The SPL Phonitor has brought it to life. I haven't had them long enough to make detailed comments, but a few initial observations:

1. The tonal balance of the HD600 is just about perfect
2. Related to the above, these are also less fatiguing than the OG Focal Clears
3. I've never been entirely happy with the way headphones reproduce Renaissance choral music. The HD600s are just right, presenting sparkling treble with no graininess.
4. The HD600s don't match the dynamic heft, imaging or detail extraction of the Focal Clears
5. That said, I think I prefer the HD600s to the Clear LOL. Why? Its superior tonal balance. I listen to music for enjoyment, not the technical evaluation of recording quality. The HD600s are the more enjoyable experience imo.

I'm a believer. The HD600s scale extremely well according to the amp. I've just ordered a pair of HD6XX, another headphone I've owned before but that have similarly underwhelmed me. Hoping that the Phonitor can work its magic on the HD6XX as well.

I have to agree with this. The Phonitor is a surprisingly good match for 300 ohm Sennheisers, not just the HD 600s but it warmed up my HD 800s (not S!) to the point I no longer feel the need for EQ. And, the Matrix makes a real difference with the HD 800s unlike other cans I tried it with.

Sadly, my Phonitor 2 has a bad left channel that started to fail a couple of months after I bought it new. I have to return it for service but I haven't had time.
 
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