Seiun player, $150 player with monster spec. Too good to be true?

Apr 12, 2016 at 3:11 PM Post #706 of 1,652
...expectation verse reality = disappointment.

As much as I have been disappointed by some reactions on IDGG.
Patients isn't a virtue... It's just practice...

Yes they are rubbish at babying insecurities by posting every 5 minutes.

But nothing matters as long as the end product is sound...

Anyone know this yet??? Answers on a crystal postcard...
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 1:51 PM Post #708 of 1,652
10 for 44 people in the UK. . I wonder who will be lucky...

I'm reading that the expected number is 3 for the UK. Let's hope it's you and me and a buddy makes three.
 
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Apr 26, 2016 at 2:40 PM Post #709 of 1,652
They are being wildly optimistic on their beta test schedule v/s their delivery date. They have left no time in there to address any issues, which means it will either ship flawed or the ship date will slip again, which is a better option. Shipping with a software flaw that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade may work, but if they have a hardware flaw, then it will be bad, because the only way to hit the date given would be if they are already in production, or within days of starting. There is no way they can do it if they are going to wait for beta testing feedback, repair the issues, and still ship by the end of May (according to their 4/12/16 email). Expect another round of crying and complaining from the masses when the ship date slips to late June or mid July.
All of the in-house testing in the world means nothing until you put it in the hands of idiots, and shake out the real issues. As we used to say when I worked in manufacturing engineering, "The trouble with idiots is that they are just so damn creative." No offense to anyone here, or anyone chosen, but odds are, some of these test units will go to knuckle dragging gorilla idiots, air headed random button pushing idiots, too lazy to look it up in the manual idiots, and my favorite, the "It's a piece of junk" but can't give you a single detail about why they are saying that idiots. But, in the end, this is a good thing, because they are the ones who manage to uncover real issues, better than ones who try to give a thorough, logical, and methodical review of the functional aspects, because that is the same method used by the engineers at the company. While that is a necessary process, and must be done, it is amazing what flaws it fails to uncover. I have seen people who can pick up a device and render it useless in 5 minutes because they can stumble backwards into a flaw without even trying. My point is, there will be issues that come up, and they will need time to replicate them (which can be very hard if the tester is not even sure how they did it - because they are an idiot), and then they have to fix the issue, and pray that it is software and not hardware. This is time consuming, and I can just about guarantee the date will slip at least one more time, which is fine with me, because it will mean they are addressing the beta test issues.
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 3:43 PM Post #711 of 1,652
They are being wildly optimistic on their beta test schedule v/s their delivery date. They have left no time in there to address any issues, which means it will either ship flawed or the ship date will slip again, which is a better option. Shipping with a software flaw that can be fixed with a firmware upgrade may work, but if they have a hardware flaw, then it will be bad, because the only way to hit the date given would be if they are already in production, or within days of starting. There is no way they can do it if they are going to wait for beta testing feedback, repair the issues, and still ship by the end of May (according to their 4/12/16 email). Expect another round of crying and complaining from the masses when the ship date slips to late June or mid July.
All of the in-house testing in the world means nothing until you put it in the hands of idiots, and shake out the real issues. As we used to say when I worked in manufacturing engineering, "The trouble with idiots is that they are just so damn creative." No offense to anyone here, or anyone chosen, but odds are, some of these test units will go to knuckle dragging gorilla idiots, air headed random button pushing idiots, too lazy to look it up in the manual idiots, and my favorite, the "It's a piece of junk" but can't give you a single detail about why they are saying that idiots. But, in the end, this is a good thing, because they are the ones who manage to uncover real issues, better than ones who try to give a thorough, logical, and methodical review of the functional aspects, because that is the same method used by the engineers at the company. While that is a necessary process, and must be done, it is amazing what flaws it fails to uncover. I have seen people who can pick up a device and render it useless in 5 minutes because they can stumble backwards into a flaw without even trying. My point is, there will be issues that come up, and they will need time to replicate them (which can be very hard if the tester is not even sure how they did it - because they are an idiot), and then they have to fix the issue, and pray that it is software and not hardware. This is time consuming, and I can just about guarantee the date will slip at least one more time, which is fine with me, because it will mean they are addressing the beta test issues.

Oh, great!!  Based on your descriptions, I think I am qualified to be a beta tester....  Can't wait until tomorrow to confirm...  By the way, when did CD ship out the Pro X player???
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Apr 26, 2016 at 4:21 PM Post #712 of 1,652
Oh, great!!  Based on your descriptions, I think I am qualified to be a beta tester....  Can't wait until tomorrow to confirm...  By the way, when did CD ship out the Pro X player???:wink_face:  


So, you are waiting on the PHA? I can't understand why they are lumping it in with the Pro/Pro-x production, Beta test, and ship dates. It does not seem to share much, if any parts with the Pro/Pro-X. I thought they just had to scrape off all of the Sony labels. ;)

http://smile.amazon.com/Sony-PHA1A-Portable-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B00TIAYRDO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461701644&sr=8-1&keywords=sony+headphone+amp

Edit: congrats on being qualified! I am borderline, but fingers crossed! Good luck tomorrow!
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 4:54 PM Post #713 of 1,652
No, actually I only perked for the Pro X with upgraded internal storage, so I have very little invested here... I really never paid much attention to the PHA, but I hope this turns out well for people who invested in it.   I do hope that whoever finally gets selected as a beta tester of the Pro/Pro X can provide some reasonable feedback to CD.. Odds here in the US for being a beta tester are about 1:20.  I guess they are going to have some sort of lottery to determine the beta testers???  My main hope is that the finished ProX has really good sound quality and a user friendly interface.  I'm still a bit concerned about the HO impedance and the power output, and I have no experience with Android devices...  So back to your point, I could brick the player in 5 minutes and not even know how I did it...  See, I knew I was qualified to be a beta tester!  I guess we'll find out eventually.  Good luck to you as well...
 
Apr 26, 2016 at 10:50 PM Post #714 of 1,652
Good to see progress being made.
 
Yes, new deadlines are tight, but they show progress being made.  I can take deadline misses... as long as I see the progress towards a good product.
 
CD:  Use time to make a good product... but remember that the best is enemy of good. :-)
 
Apr 27, 2016 at 11:42 AM Post #715 of 1,652
ES9018S*1 is the finalized spec on PHA:
The team has been working on the 2 different specs, (ES9018S & ES9018K2M) and found out the different results on these 2 specs. Compared to both specs and the performance between ES9018S and ES9018K2M, and the ES9018S has better performance & quality that we are truly looking for. Previously, ES9018K2M was the advice from ESS agent, and they concerned that portable device power consumption to compromise the performance. However, after many testing and performance evaluations, we decide to stick with ES9018S for final PHA specs to present the best performance to our backers.   Better Performance & Solution for power consumption:
The performance of ES9018S is better, but the power consumption may not be as good as ES9018K2M. To solve the solution for the issue, the PHA will contain more powerful battery to keep long period of work. Therefore, the power consumption will not be an issue to be worried about on the switch.More details will be released soon:
More detailed spec discussions will be released soon after the testing. We will work really hard and speed up our missed out schedule to all backers. We really appreciate all the supporting from all of you. Without your supporting, Cyberdrive will not make to the step and keep moving to our future product map. Thanks again for all of you.

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Apr 27, 2016 at 1:30 PM Post #716 of 1,652
Beta testing of the PHA amp will start after they ship test units to 10 people end of May / beginning of June.
While I appreciate the effort, it means there is no way they'll have it finalized before at least September.
 
It's turning into quite THE delay.
Patience patience... (and it'd better be good because with such a delay, people won't be satisfied with an average product).
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Apr 28, 2016 at 4:07 AM Post #719 of 1,652
  Good to see progress being made.
 
Yes, new deadlines are tight, but they show progress being made.  I can take deadline misses... as long as I see the progress towards a good product.
 
CD:  Use time to make a good product... but remember that the best is enemy of good. :-)

The best is not necessarily the enemy of good. I believe the saying is a caution to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Seiun should deliver what they promised, including lowering the impedance, and no more than that.
 

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