Schiit Two Channel Clubhouse

[shultzee]

I am closely following this thread, because I am thinking of getting two Vidars for balanced operation. But there doesn't seem to be a review for the Vidar available, even though it's been out for quite a while.

Computer Audiophile has a thread for the Vidar, but no one posted a thorough review. Nor wanting to sound rude or anything, but people report various shortcomings: one was that the amp had issues with loudspeaker cables, although Jason Stoddard replied that they had been solved in the meantime. People also report recessed highs, and on top of it, it seems to generate a slight buzz with some speakers. Does anyone encounter the same problems? How about the amp's sonics, is it good?

Thanks for any input!

I am running two vidars and I really doubt if you can duplicate the performance for the price. I did have one of the first vidars and it had a bit of a hum. Contacted customer service and they immediately swapped it out. As far recessed highs , I don't find that to be the case at all. I am extremely happy with them.

 

[biosailor]

Thanks for the reply! I am ALMOST there pulling the trigger for two Vidars. Nevertheless, the hum you observed shouldn't have been there in the first place.

I just re-wired my loudspeaker cables to Neutrik SpeakOn's, getting the Vidars means back to binding posts (

 

[Trerit]

Finally got some headphones (HE-6) to compete with the LS50's. Along with longer interconnects so i could split my AMP/DAC for better heat dissipation.
Stacking the Ragnarok and Yggdrasil made them both super toasty!
Added benefit of this is that i got to centre my monitor on my desk. giving me a better listening angle on the LS50's.

As for subs, i tried adding a Yamaha YST-RSW300, 270watt sub but it was to inaccurate and gave me to much of a low end blur. In fact i don't feel like i need any more low-end on the LS50's. Double bass has never been as lifelike as this(for me). If i had a larger room, a sub might be worth it but for this room size it feels perfect.
Still don't know if i want to keep my desk/speakers at the current location. Thinking about moving them to the opposite wall to avoid having the left backport blasting into a window and get more space between the walls and the speakers. Everything is in scale in the 3D render added.

 

[D2Girls]

I've been told that you should have ample space for the kef ls50 to sound their best. Don't you think it would sound better if they had room to breath?

 

[Trerit]

I've been told that you should have ample space for the kef ls50 to sound their best. Don't you think it would sound better if they had room to breath?

The sound better if you have loads of space behind and on the sides. as for total room size I don't feel that they are picky.

 

[D2Girls]

The sound better if you have loads of space behind and on the sides. as for total room size I don't feel that they are picky.

I think thats what i was trying to say lol. They dont appear to have any space behind them or to the side.

 

[Autiomatic]

The sound better if you have loads of space behind and on the sides. as for total room size I don't feel that they are picky.

Any idea of a good rule of thumb distance for these guys? I believe I read about 30 inches away from a rear wall, not sure about the sides.

 

[Trerit]

Any idea of a good rule of thumb distance for these guys? I believe I read about 30 inches away from a rear wall, not sure about the sides.

There is a guideline in the manual and i feel its accurate, i played around with the the foam and I have to keep the foam in them because my right speaker speaker is to close to the wall(310mm), just based on how it sounds.
Also as the manual mentions as best(two v's are better than one) is speakerstands. The LS50s really does shove out some boom, and the reflective surface of the table you put them on or whatever has a lot to say.

 

[bmanone]

There is a guideline in the manual and i feel its accurate, i played around with the the foam and I have to keep the foam in them because my right speaker speaker is to close to the wall(310mm), just based on how it sounds.
Also as the manual mentions as best(two v's are better than one) is speakerstands. The LS50s really does shove out some boom, and the reflective surface of the table you put them on or whatever has a lot to say.

Finally got some headphones (HE-6) to compete with the LS50's. Along with longer interconnects so i could split my AMP/DAC for better heat dissipation.
Stacking the Ragnarok and Yggdrasil made them both super toasty!
Added benefit of this is that i got to centre my monitor on my desk. giving me a better listening angle on the LS50's.

As for subs, i tried adding a Yamaha YST-RSW300, 270watt sub but it was to inaccurate and gave me to much of a low end blur. In fact i don't feel like i need any more low-end on the LS50's. Double bass has never been as lifelike as this(for me). If i had a larger room, a sub might be worth it but for this room size it feels perfect.
Still don't know if i want to keep my desk/speakers at the current location. Thinking about moving them to the opposite wall to avoid having the left backport blasting into a window and get more space between the walls and the speakers. Everything is in scale in the 3D render added.

Trerit,
If I had your set up and I had room behind my desk chair, I'd move the LS50s out the minimum recommended distance from the front wall (500mm) and move the desk and chair into the room (600-1000mm from the front wall). I think this will give you better sound and better imaging (closer to an equal lateral triangle for distance between the speakers and to your ears). There is no rule that your desk has to be up next to the wall. YMMV

In my office area the front of my desk is almost splits the room in half. My speakers are 838mm from the front wall, 2.36m apart, about 3.45m from my listening position and my listening position is about 1.98m from the back wall. I have my computer feeding SPDIF (coax) > Bimby > Freya, > Yamaha B-2x amplifier > Fried R/4 speakers plus 2 M&K MX70 subwoofers.

 

[D2Girls]

kef ls50 sound better if yo have them 50cm away from the back wall
They also sound better paired with a warmer amp like my anthem 225

 

[Autiomatic]

There is a guideline in the manual and i feel its accurate, i played around with the the foam and I have to keep the foam in them because my right speaker speaker is to close to the wall(310mm), just based on how it sounds.
Also as the manual mentions as best(two v's are better than one) is speakerstands. The LS50s really does shove out some boom, and the reflective surface of the table you put them on or whatever has a lot to say.

Ah yes, I do recall seeing that in the included materials. Thanks for the reminder. I just purchased some 30" high stands, which isn't within their spec, but it looks to be the right height for my listening position.

 

[Trerit]

I put my speakers on the opposite wall. I got them 520mm from the back wall. 310from the right wall and 1000+mm from the left wall.
Any one have any experience with having a slant on speaker stands to make them fire a bit more up?

 

[D2Girls]

I put my speakers on the opposite wall. I got them 520mm from the back wall. 310from the right wall and 1000+mm from the left wall.
Any one have any experience with having a slant on speaker stands to make them fire a bit more up?

I think you should have them around ear level instead, and make sure you sit yourself in an equilateral triangle. This is the advice I have been given and what I've been reading on other places. I've yet to see anyone use their ls50 in a nearfield enviornment like that, with them slanted up to your ears. Maybe it would work? If you've got that much space from the left wall I think you should move the right speaker away some more. ive been using calculations given here. http://noaudiophile.com/speakercalc/ to good result.

 

[Trerit]

I think you should have them around ear level instead, and make sure you sit yourself in an equilateral triangle. This is the advice I have been given and what I've been reading on other places. I've yet to see anyone use their ls50 in a nearfield enviornment like that, with them slanted up to your ears. Maybe it would work? If you've got that much space from the left wall I think you should move the right speaker away some more. ive been using calculations given here. http://noaudiophile.com/speakercalc/ to good result.

There is a hallway into the kitchen between the speaker and left wall so I don't have more space on the left. There is a small difference in sound between the left and right speaker but I like the improvement as apposed to having 100mm from the sidewalls

 

[D2Girls]

There is a hallway into the kitchen between the speaker and left wall so I don't have more space on the left. There is a small difference in sound between the left and right speaker but I like the improvement as apposed to having 100mm from the sidewalls

If there's anything more important I've learned since I started this hobby is to ignore the negativity and anything less but constructive crtisism and use your ears. Unless they've actually been to your room and heard things themselves the really have no right to claim how everything in a chain gets resolved and how impressive your system will end up sounding. That being said I would love to hear how the KEF ls50 sound exactly when used in a traditional nearfield pc setup with them angled up to your ears. I'm thinking perhaps it's less important due to the coaxial nature and a few inches below wouldn't make Much more of a difference than say centering yourself properly and distance of your head from the driver. I often listen to my speakers lying down and notice only a very small difference in sound. Still sounds great so to speak. Would also love to hear the Ragnorak sounds... in any case best of luck buddy.