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Mar 7, 2016 at 2:19 PM Post #8,551 of 23,494
Mar 7, 2016 at 2:45 PM Post #8,552 of 23,494
I stand corrected. They have a powerful presentation but ended up being a bit hashy to me . I only had Czech made Lorenz SEL. I was told they were made by tesla
 
Mar 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM Post #8,553 of 23,494
I'm going to be selling some 1974 6N23P Reflektor SWGP gray shields soon. I bought these from rb2013 in December and have only used these for maybe five hours...probably less.
 
I want to buy a pair of the LISST for reference use. PM me if interested.
 
Here the eBay listing they were on: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6N23P-Reflektor-74-SWGP-Gray-Shields-Exact-Dates-Mtched-Pr-US-SELLER-6922-/231783308146?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
 
Mar 7, 2016 at 3:25 PM Post #8,554 of 23,494
tvnosaint said:
I think those only work for Lyr 1. My pcc88 were awesome for a week. Then not so much
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They should work the same for Lyr 1 and Lyr 2. It's mire likely that the ones you got were near end of life.
 
Mar 7, 2016 at 5:45 PM Post #8,556 of 23,494
Here's a thread that some may not be aware of, or forgotten: http://www.head-fi.org/t/755300/schiit-lyr-lyr-2-tube-compatibility-list
lovingly assembled with lots of research and hard work by @sfo1972
 
It lists the PCC88 as compatible with both Lyrs.
 
Mar 7, 2016 at 10:23 PM Post #8,558 of 23,494
Mar 7, 2016 at 10:55 PM Post #8,559 of 23,494
tvnosaint said:
 
thurstonx said:
Here's a thread that some may not be aware of, or forgotten: http://www.head-fi.org/t/755300/schiit-lyr-lyr-2-tube-compatibility-list
lovingly assembled with lots of research and hard work by @sfo1972


It lists the PCC88 as compatible with both Lyrs.
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Yeah I just got confused or misremembered. There were quite a few that weren't recommended for Lyr 2 but since I still have mine from 2011 I didn't pay that much attention to the 2s .
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Thanks for your kind words @ThurstonX
 
It has been quite a while since I have been on the forum and I appreciate your comments above :)
 
I have been spending most of my Lyr listening time with either the '75 Reflektors or Siemens Cca Grays.
 
Happy rolling.
 
Mar 7, 2016 at 11:01 PM Post #8,560 of 23,494
tvnosaint said:
Yeah I just got confused or misremembered. There were quite a few that weren't recommended for Lyr 2 but since I still have mine from 2011 I didn't pay that much attention to the 2s .
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Same here, so I had to check.  I'd have bet a shiny dime the PCC88s weren't recommended for the Lyr 2.  Fig'd the link might help someone.  The MatsuScHiITa 7DJ8s/PCC88s were pretty disappointing the last time I rolled them.  IIRC, you had the same reaction.  That makes me a little gun shy of trying more.  Now, these 1966 Hamburg (Philips) 'A' frame E88CCs I finally got from Germany... they got it goin' on 
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Mar 7, 2016 at 11:15 PM Post #8,561 of 23,494
Cheers sir. I have those tubes coming from Sam and I'll be back into hiding for a while. I bought 20 pairs last year .i really enjoy 7 of them 5 are average a couple are unique some will sit next to the mats undisturbed.
I really gotta get my readers out when writing this stuff.
 
Mar 8, 2016 at 4:37 AM Post #8,562 of 23,494
About the PCC88 running on 6.3 Heater Voltage:
It's quite a controversy on this topic - I see two camps about this (for any amp with 6.3 Heater voltage and PCC88) - one camp says because of the undervoltage there is cathode poisoning and the tubes die faster, other camp says they work great and are interchangeable.
 
I read some place that Schiit does not recommend usage of pcc88 but there was no real explanation why. I wonder what Schiit's take on this is outside of "we do not recommend", the only thing mentioned in Schiit FAQ is heater current requirement should be under 415mA, which for most PCC88 is 300mA (way under the limit).
 
Mar 8, 2016 at 6:43 AM Post #8,563 of 23,494
I've read both Lyr threads in their entirety. The PCC88 works fine. Some actually prefer them to the norm. They were ok. But I preferred Heerlen E188CC/CCa over them by a lot.
kolkoo said:
About the PCC88 running on 6.3 Heater Voltage:


It's quite a controversy on this topic - I see two camps about this (for any amp with 6.3 Heater voltage and PCC88) - one camp says because of the undervoltage there is cathode poisoning and the tubes die faster, other camp says they work great and are interchangeable.


 


I read some place that Schiit does not recommend usage of pcc88 but there was no real explanation why. I wonder what Schiit's take on this is outside of "we do not recommend", the only thing mentioned in Schiit FAQ is heater current requirement should be under 415mA, which for most PCC88 is 300mA (way under the limit).
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Mar 8, 2016 at 10:38 AM Post #8,564 of 23,494
I haven't received my Lyr 2 or my overpriced
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 Reflektor 6N23P-EV tubes yet but I'm wondering... is there a general consensus based on their effects on the sound?
 
For instance, I'm looking for a warmer, more musical sound that brings vocals forward and I'm wondering if the tubes I got fit the bill. Or are there better tubes for that effect?
 
Mar 8, 2016 at 12:18 PM Post #8,565 of 23,494
Guido and Thurstonx are waiting for me to say Mullards. Because that's exactly what they bring to the table. I've got some ecc88s marked for Hewlett Packard from the Blackburn plant that I love . I think you'll be quite happy with the HGs for a lot of reasons. Musicality being a huge one. You can pick up some of those mullards for around $50. A good pair of bugle boys have similar characteristics . Both lack the soundstage and pop of the Heerlens best and reflektors. But Vocals and tone...love those blackburns
 
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