Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers
Apr 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM Post #8,956 of 23,494
Yeah my single red Valvo D-getter 7L4 is scheduled for delivery today.  Will let you know how it's pairing with my other D-getter 7L4 Heerlen works out.

 
Very happy with the 7L4 pairing.  It's been said that the 7L4's rival the pinched waist sound.  I listened to this set vs 2 of my pinched waist pairs and they very much held their own.
Maybe not quite the lushness in tone that my #1 pair of pinched waists have...but close.  And there is a certain transparancy to this Valvo Red D-getter on vocals that is
unique on my setup.  Very present and very intimate.  7L4's...a poor man's pinched waist.  I would say a very good option for any of you looking for the pinched waist sound
on a workingman's budget.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 2:03 PM Post #8,957 of 23,494
  Yeah, same here. EBay was and is a great idea.
 
Back on topic, do you have the Lyr 2 or the Lyr1? And, your opinion of best tube(s)?

 
I have an original Lyr.
 
My favorites are 60's gray shield Siemens CCa's, 60's gray shield Telefunken CCa's and 75 Reflektor HG's silver shield SWGP.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 2:44 PM Post #8,958 of 23,494
My tubes were delivered today 1 day after opening the case, what do I do now, close the case as delivered? Seller fixed his estimated delivery`s btw, I would not of bought them now due to the long delivery process. Delivery in 6 bisuness days factored into my purchase.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 4:22 PM Post #8,960 of 23,494
   
I have an original Lyr.
 
My favorites are 60's gray shield Siemens CCa's, 60's gray shield Telefunken CCa's and 75 Reflektor HG's silver shield SWGP.


Ah yes, the usual gold medal contenders. I do not have CCa's, so I have yet to hear/test the difference. I like the Telefunkens a lot and the pairs I have are super quiet and almost perfectly matched, triode to triode and tube to tube, so maybe that has something to do with it. Have not fully explored Seimens yet, but what I have heard and/or own remind me of a combination of Telelefunken and Amperex, so I gave that a rest while I explored some other types. Also like the Reflektors, although I might slightly favor the '74s.
 
Since you have the Lyr1, you are open to tubes with higher heater current. After experimenting with the 6N1Ps in the Valhalla 2, I bought the Lyr1 for that reason. (Already had the Lyr2) I ended up using the Lyr1 more than the Lyr2, don't really mind (or notice) the slightly higher noise floor on the Lyr1. Some good tubes available in the 6N1P line.
 
Still to do on the list: Find a set or two of CCa's to check against some of the best 6922 sets, also try some of the E188CCs (have enough USA 7308s).
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 4:30 PM Post #8,961 of 23,494
Wait until you see Vettes box of goodies


Indeed. I see what you mean. Although at this point, I've gone past lust and into rehab.
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...And promises to organize the boxes of glass.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 4:46 PM Post #8,962 of 23,494
 
Ah yes, the usual gold medal contenders. I do not have CCa's, so I have yet to hear/test the difference. I like the Telefunkens a lot and the pairs I have are super quiet and almost perfectly matched, triode to triode and tube to tube, so maybe that has something to do with it. Have not fully explored Seimens yet, but what I have heard and/or own remind me of a combination of Telelefunken and Amperex, so I gave that a rest while I explored some other types. Also like the Reflektors, although I might slightly favor the '74s.
 
Since you have the Lyr1, you are open to tubes with higher heater current. After experimenting with the 6N1Ps in the Valhalla 2, I bought the Lyr1 for that reason. (Already had the Lyr2) I ended up using the Lyr1 more than the Lyr2, don't really mind (or notice) the slightly higher noise floor on the Lyr1. Some good tubes available in the 6N1P line.
 
Still to do on the list: Find a set or two of CCa's to check against some of the best 6922 sets, also try some of the E188CCs (have enough USA 7308s).

 
 
On my list.  Sam's Yellow Valvo CCa's and set of the Heerlen pinched waist...
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 5:08 PM Post #8,964 of 23,494
   
 
On my list.  Sam's Yellow Valvo CCa's and set of the Heerlen pinched waist...


Currently listening to a pair of 1961 6N5Ps, I had put these aside last year because they did not impress in any big way after a short ~24 hour burn. So came back and these now have ~125hrs, they have shown slow and steady improvement. Whenever I've given a listen in the last 20hrs, I've had a hard time taking the headphones off. What I'm hearing is similar to the better Reflektors but with a little less edge. Similar to what I would hear in a live performance if I was in the first tier balcony immediately next to the stage as opposed to the first three rows center orchestra. Not completely sure where I would rank them but they are totally engrossing at the moment. (I don't say that often.) Not so much restraint or recess as much as refinement, very realistic natural sound.
 
These are sturdy triple mica tubes and quiet as hell without any fire. But they are the higher heater current sim. to 6N1P. Gain is actually lower than 6N1P and 6N23P/6922.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 5:19 PM Post #8,965 of 23,494
http://www.ebay.com/itm/USSR-Russian-Tubes-6N23P-E88CC-ECC88-6DJ8-Silver-Shields-REFLEKTOR-1975-2pcs-/141954275933?hash=item210d225a5d:g:xHYAAOSwAvJXCSOA
This seller has some reflektors 74,75 swgp silver shields, 1 74 gray shield I think.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 8:41 PM Post #8,967 of 23,494
any of you guys deal with a seller called wedge high fidelity or similar name. do not remember exactly? Is there some kind of formula you need to apply to his test readings like a -6 or thereabouts to get a true test reading, he got some really nice stuff but all his tubes seem to be on HGH  or steroids or his tester is borked or maybe he don`t know how to use it or whatever? Even a relative tube newbie like myself is pretty leery about his readings. My gut is telling me to stay away.
 
Apr 9, 2016 at 9:34 PM Post #8,968 of 23,494
Amperex orange globes are doing wonderfully with my HD800; I'm sensitive to treble and they work out to make a good combo!
 
Now to see how it stacks up against the T1...
 
Apr 10, 2016 at 10:14 AM Post #8,969 of 23,494
Anyway, curious... ten tubes from the same week, possibly had some prescreening since they were installed somewhere/sometime. My question is how many are low noise and also have tight triode to triode matching. Since CCa's are selected standard production 6922s, I'm curious to know how many "waiting to be discovered CCa's" you scored in this heist. :) It's actually a useful statistic since you would rarely see ten or more of these at any given time.

Tride matching is actually super tight:
 
 Ia1Ia2  Gm1Gm2  Mu1Mu2Ra1Ra2Ra % delta
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #1 ~11~11  8,638,68  32,633,43,777523,8479261,846606
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #2~11~11  8,428,35  33,632,83,9904993,9281441,574894
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #3~11~11  8,498,28  33,233,63,9104834,0579713,701799
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #4~11~11  7,87,98  31,231,443,9348371,642451
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #5~11~11  7,957,13  33,830,34,2515724,2496490,04524
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #6~11~11  8,428,1  31,831,63,7767223,9012353,243375
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #7~11~11  8,178,3  32,932,64,0269283,9277112,494568
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #8~11~11  8,188,23  32,531,93,9731053,8760632,472668
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #9~11~11  8,137,74  32,431,63,985244,0826872,415676
Valvo 7L4 '59 E88CC D-Getter #10~11~11  7,878,02  3433,24,3202034,1396514,268453
 
This is taken at 100V Ua, and somewhere between -1.5V and -2V  (I'm using the autobias method for matching for the Lyr 2 on my Tube Imp - meaning I vary the grid voltage until each triode stabilizes at 11mA, then I write down Gm and Mu, calculate the plate resistance (Rp or Ra) and then I have a formula to calculate the percentage different of Ra on each triode. Less than 10% is really good matching, < 5% is perfect matching. Then I match out pairs aiming for close Gm, Mu and Ra values.
 
So out of these results I have pairs - (ordered from best to worst in strength):
 
(1, 6) (2,3) (7,8) (4,9) (5,10).
 
I've currently only listened to (1,6) and (2,3), there is 0 noise that can be heard at high gain on the lyr and the volume control past 13/14 o'clock. I'm currently listening to pair (2,3) as rest of pairs finished soaking in isopropyl alcohol and I just applied deoxit gold to them :). I love the fact that deoxit gold makes the glass on the bottom of the tubes clear again :D
 
  any of you guys deal with a seller called wedge high fidelity or similar name. do not remember exactly? Is there some kind of formula you need to apply to his test readings like a -6 or thereabouts to get a true test reading, he got some really nice stuff but all his tubes seem to be on HGH  or steroids or his tester is borked or maybe he don`t know how to use it or whatever? Even a relative tube newbie like myself is pretty leery about his readings. My gut is telling me to stay away.

Guy is boosting the measurements by picking a bias point where 100% is higher, now this doesn't necessarily mean that his tubes are bad, but I asked him about the real measurements at a standard bias point and he was being a smart schiit arguing about the definition of NOS/NIB and did not give me any measurements. I pasted our conversation a few posts back. I assume his tubes are still good - as they really do look unused and new in box, and they seem to be matched at the higher voltages, but I decided not to buy from him just because I did not like his attitude :D
 
Apr 10, 2016 at 11:28 AM Post #8,970 of 23,494
Ah I just read, think I`ll pass, if I had a tester I might bite, he got some great tubes from the late 50`s to early 60`s. So he is just testing them with the wrong measurments and artificially boosting the results. Really good schiit he got for sale.
 

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