Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers

[ThurstonX]

I always thought you one of the smarter ones. Lol.

 
LOL, thanks.  It's embarrassing that I can't keep those damn VR9s straight.  Seems I've mostly been rolling E88CCs lately, and "foreign" tubes, to boot! 

 
Anyway, since you corrected me... again... recently, I thought I'd throw you a bone.  *WOOF*
 

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Just to clarify, I meant that I'm not completely brain dead.

 

[Oskari]

Just to clarify, I meant that I'm not completely brain dead.

I'm 100% sure we all agree about that.

 

[kolkoo]

Alright, tested the red valvo d-getters they test good, got 5 tightly matched pairs, took a listen on the strongest one. At first they were crazy microphonic and there was this really loud noise in the right  channel then it disappeared after about a minute and a few taps on one of the tubes. After that it's been smooth sailing, I put the rest to soak in isopropyl alcohol to clean them up later.
 
As for sound quality tube does sound pretty good, to my surprise really similar to the Valvo Hamburg PCC88 I've been listening, so the impressions I shared on those are also valid so far for me for these. Will keep listening to see if things change after some burn-in. I also want to listen to all 5 pairs to see if I can hear a big difference
 
But yeah the sound of the Valvo Heerlen 7L4 '59 D-Getters (and the really similar to my ears Valvo Hamburg DJ1 PCC88 '60s O-getters ) differs from the HGs in flavor certainly, can't pick a preference so far all I can say is that after I listen to one for a while then I put in the others I love the change Then when I get complacent I switch them around again - same thing.
 
Will do more listening now

 

[TK16]

Problem with a seller on ebay which I ordered a pair of ecc88 mullards on March 21st, I opened up a case of did not receive the item April 8th well past the March 29th delivery date.

I am a nice person
I have sent your item
You filed a case against me when I did nothing wrong
You have made my PayPal balance put on hold
I couldn't get $ 850 out it was delayed 4 days
You paid for mulllard ecc88 only $65
Lowest anyone paid me
I have received more money from country like Vietnam for the same item
If you wanted fast delivery it cost more
You could have asked for it
I would have did it
I have contacted ebay and Australia Post
Australia Post will investigate
If they find out you have received the parcel
I will inform the U.S Police also
Hope you are happy with yourself
I will fight you all the way as I have done nothing wrong

Thanks but no thanks​

 
 
I got this message March 25th

Hello
I have sent without tracking to save cost as the item is well packed in 2 boxes
Size approx 25cm x 20cm
Tubes have been pre checked before shipping
You should receive 7-10 days from shipping
I have had no problems in the past
If you don't receive I will get Australia Post to track item
Should there be problems
I will also help to refund your money
or supply new set of tubes
Please be patient, You should receive items soon.

Thank you Have a nice day​

 
 
Guys how should I handle this? Doesn`t ebay require the seller to provide tracking so something like this does not happen?

 

[MWSVette]

I would have contacted the vendor for shipping details.  If they were not forthcoming I would have opened a case also.  If he shipped the from overseas on the 25th there would be no way they would arrive hear by the last day of on time delivery.
 
At minimum they did not complete the transaction in the time frame set by Ebay.
 
From your description all issues are on the seller.  I would let Ebay and Paypal deal with it from here...

 

[rnros]

I've had deliveries from EU to the USA take as long as 5 weeks. Sometimes things get lost in the system for a while, sometimes they are sent surface instead of air. Not often but enough to require patience if not delivered on schedule. Was the package shipped on 3/25? And where was it shipped to?
 
Best to communicate with the seller before initiating any negative action. Ebay is very strict with the seller's receivables and it can be very difficult for the seller if a hold is put on the account. A new seller automatically has holds on the account until certain criteria are met.
 
So, yes, first I would be patient and communicate with the seller, especially if the seller has an established positive feedback record as this seller does. His reply is angry, understandably perhaps, but restraint would have been the better way. As it is, he now has a bad rep on HeadFi in addition to the issue on eBay.
 
Part of the blame goes to eBay for placing an unreasonable hold on the seller's total receipts without reference to your item's cost or the realities of the postal systems.

 

[MWSVette]

  I've had deliveries from EU to the USA take as long as 5 weeks. Sometimes things get lost in the system for a while, sometimes they are sent surface instead of air. Not often but enough to require patience if not delivered on schedule. Was the package shipped on 3/25? And where was it shipped to?
 
Best to communicate with the seller before initiating any negative action. Ebay is very strict with the seller's receivables and it can be very difficult for the seller if a hold is put on the account. A new seller automatically has holds on the account until certain criteria are met.
 
So, yes, first I would be patient and communicate with the seller, especially if the seller has an established positive feedback record as this seller does. His reply is angry, understandably perhaps, but restraint would have been the better way. As it is, he now has a bad rep on HeadFi in addition to the issue on eBay.
 
Part of the blame goes to eBay for placing an unreasonable hold on the seller's total receipts without reference to your item's cost or the realities of the postal systems.

 
True,  you should always give the Ebay vendor an opportunity to make the issue right before opening a case.  Just having a case opened counts against the vendor with Ebay even if they prevail case.
 
However as an Ebay seller for over 15 years I would never ship an item without tracking.  Without a tracking number both Ebay and Paypal will side with the buyer if they state they never received the item.  In addition as the seller you can set the anticipated delivery time to reflect the delay in overseas sales.  He should have had a longer delivery window.  If the vendor thought it could take 5 weeks he could set that as the delivery for that time frame.
 
Ebay is pretty straight up in thier terms of service agreement about what is required by sellers and the repercussions if you do not follow requirements.

 

[rnros]

  Alright, tested the red valvo d-getters they test good, got 5 tightly matched pairs, took a listen on the strongest one. At first they were crazy microphonic and there was this really loud noise in the right  channel then it disappeared after about a minute and a few taps on one of the tubes. After that it's been smooth sailing, I put the rest to soak in isopropyl alcohol to clean them up later.
 
As for sound quality tube does sound pretty good, to my surprise really similar to the Valvo Hamburg PCC88 I've been listening, so the impressions I shared on those are also valid so far for me for these. Will keep listening to see if things change after some burn-in. I also want to listen to all 5 pairs to see if I can hear a big difference
 
But yeah the sound of the Valvo Heerlen 7L4 '59 D-Getters (and the really similar to my ears Valvo Hamburg DJ1 PCC88 '60s O-getters ) differs from the HGs in flavor certainly, can't pick a preference so far all I can say is that after I listen to one for a while then I put in the others I love the change Then when I get complacent I switch them around again - same thing.
 
Will do more listening now

Scoring ten '59 7L4 tubes from the same production week (051) is not the usual event!
Congrats on that, they looked good in the photos, glad to hear they tested well also. Could be that the 'slight pre-operated' time was only the time originally used in testing and installing in a piece of old test equipment. I say that because you had a little startup or corrosion static on one of the tubes. May be that they have been sitting for a very long time!
 
Anyway, curious... ten tubes from the same week, possibly had some prescreening since they were installed somewhere/sometime. My question is how many are low noise and also have tight triode to triode matching. Since CCa's are selected standard production 6922s, I'm curious to know how many "waiting to be discovered CCa's" you scored in this heist. It's actually a useful statistic since you would rarely see ten or more of these at any given time.

 

[rnros]

   
True,  you should always give the Ebay vendor an opportunity to make the issue right before opening a case.  Just having a case opened counts against the vendor with Ebay even if they prevail case.
 
However as an Ebay seller for over 15 years I would never ship an item without tracking.  Without a tracking number both Ebay and Paypal will side with the buyer if they state they never received the item.  In addition as the seller you can set the anticipated delivery time to reflect the delay in overseas sales.  He should have had a longer delivery window.  If the vendor thought it could take 5 weeks he could set that as the delivery for that time frame.
 
Ebay is pretty straight up in thier terms of service agreement about what is required by sellers and the repercussions if you do not follow requirements.

True on most of these points, but not every seller has the same level of experience. Not sure on a tracking number requirement, IIRC there was/is a requirement or preference for signature confirmation at a certain value level, but as you noted that was to give the seller a safeguard as eBay does favor the buyer.
 
To the point of listing a five week delivery time, that would not work very well when the buyer is comparing sellers and service. Usually you will see the sellers indicating that a longer delivery time is possible. It makes sense to me, since 80-90% of the time it falls within the given projections.
 
I'm not saying that opening a case is the wrong thing to do in any particular situation, only what I would do and what I would recommend from my 17 years experience. The different perspectives are all valuable to anyone who has less experience and is asking the question.

 

[TK16]

Thanks guys, did not know about the money freeze. I was sent from Australia March 23 with no way to track the package, he said 7 to 10 day delivery. The estimated delivery was March 29. I thought I was being patient enough as I could have opened a case April 1st. I opened the case yesterday as insurance policy as they cannot step in for 4 business days after the case was opened. If I did it next week and have not received the item I would have to of waited an additional 4 business days from then. I got a message from the 5th stating he would look into the problem and contact his post office but I got back no messages between the 5th to the 8th, the day I opened up the case. In hindsight I probably should have waited longer.

 

[rnros]

You have nothing to regret, you are just following the process that eBay set up for buyers. I know the first time I opened a case against a seller it was completely unintentional! It was years ago and hopefully the system has improved, but I just answered a couple of questions and checked a couple of boxes and viola! I actually just wanted to place on record that the product was not yet received.
 
It's a learning process for buyer and seller. Could be the first time this seller had his account frozen, you can be sure he will be careful with tracking numbers in the future! If you like the guy's products and don't want to leave bad feelings behind in the process, you can still message him to clear up any unnecessary drama. As I said, eBay can be brutal to sellers, they do not want hear about $65 vs $850!
 
Hope it's a great tube when it arrives!!

 

[MWSVette]

 
True on most of these points, but not every seller has the same level of experience. Not sure on a tracking number requirement, IIRC there was/is a requirement or preference for signature confirmation at a certain value level, but as you noted that was to give the seller a safeguard as eBay does favor the buyer.
 
To the point of listing a five week delivery time, that would not work very well when the buyer is comparing sellers and service. Usually you will see the sellers indicating that a longer delivery time is possible. It makes sense to me, since 80-90% of the time it falls within the given projections.
 
I'm not saying that opening a case is the wrong thing to do in any particular situation, only what I would do and what I would recommend from my 17 years experience. The different perspectives are all valuable to anyone who has less experience and is asking the question.

 
I have had vendors I bought tubes from in Europe have 4 week delivery windows.  As long as I know in advance I can live with waiting.  Take a look at some of the delivery time frames for items coming out of China.  Unless you do expedited shipping many of those have equally long lead delivery times.
 
As for tracking,  Ebay does not require but highly recommends tracking numbers of all shipments.  I also recommend requiring signatures at delivery.  I lost a case that the USPS tracking stated was delivered but with no signature confirmation Ebay and Paypal side with the buyer.  So now all of my shipments require signature upon delivery.
 
And if I ever feel that the vendor did not resolve the issue with me in a reasonable time frame I would have no problem opening a case against them.  Fortunately in all the years I have been buying and selling on Ebay I only lost one case selling( the one above) and have only had to open one against a vendor try to cheat me.

 

[TK16]

Tbh in the add by the shipping price it says item location Florida USA and in the description it says Australia. I had no idea where it was being shipped from until I got the tracking number that never updated. Then found out there would be no tracking to save the seller money. Imo I paid for shipping with tracking and was not reimbursed any shipping money. Did not care Tbh if I would have gotten the tubes.

 

[rnros]

Fortunately in all the years I have been buying and selling on Ebay I only lost one case selling( the one above) and have only had to open one against a vendor try to cheat me.

Yeah, same here. EBay was and is a great idea.
 
Back on topic, do you have the Lyr 2 or the Lyr1? And, your opinion of best tube(s)?

 

[tvnosaint]

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